Thanks guys, OOps NEF not NEA right. I do have a 22 Marlin rimfire I planned on letting him shoot this summer. I Have decided to go with a 243 NEF (new). Stainless. He won't be deer hunting till he's 8, fall of 2007, although he is capable of passing the HSC, and has a liftime hunting and fishing license. I am dead set on a single shot for youths. (should be required). I beleive the 95gr ballistic tip should be plenty for a well placed shoot. I was thinking maybe a 308 for a heavier grain bullet, and because I took my first buck with one at age 13, and never felt the recoil, but thats a five year difference. So 243 it is. Thanks again.