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« Reply #60 on: March 22, 2006, 01:31:14 AM »
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My Winchester Black Shadow M70 was a WalMart only rifle that is CHEAP, CHEAP.  These thin, easily torn Levi's without red tabs or stitching on the pockets are CHEAP, CHEAP.


OK...I can see Levi's making cheap imitation jeans for WalMart to sell...but Winchester?  What about the "Wal Mart special" Ruger 10/22?

Are you saying that a firearms manufacturers would make a cheap, inferior product to sell to WalMart for a lower than usual price?

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« Reply #61 on: March 22, 2006, 01:59:27 AM »
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My Winchester Black Shadow M70 was a WalMart only rifle that is CHEAP, CHEAP.  These thin, easily torn Levi's without red tabs or stitching on the pockets are CHEAP, CHEAP.


OK...I can see Levi's making cheap imitation jeans for WalMart to sell...but Winchester?  What about the "Wal Mart special" Ruger 10/22?

Are you saying that a firearms manufacturers would make a cheap, inferior product to sell to WalMart for a lower than usual price?

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Not! ... That Winchester Black Shadow would be a "cheap" gun regardless of where you bought it.  It is unlikely that a gun manufacturer would risk damaging their reputation by making an inferior product for one retailer.   This has been discussed before.
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« Reply #62 on: March 22, 2006, 09:25:13 AM »
WHOA!  Make no mistakes about my post please.  I never meant to pull the chain and start up any discussion about the mythical "cheap WalMart version of the Rem 700, Ruger 10/22, whatever.  It seems like once a month someone trots out a story from a knowledgable gunstore owner who says that the Handi Rifle (or whatever)  that he sells is better than the substandard WalMart version.

Now, that being said, does WalMart specify a price point and request that the manufacturer meet that price point (to put it politely).  Yes.  Was the Winchester Black Shadow produced specifically for WalMart?  Yes.  Look in the Winchester parts catalog:

56 U351406130 STOCK ASSEMBLY LONG ACTION SYNTHETIC,
WALMART $115.00

NS U354814230 SCOPE (SIMMONS #800722) 3-9X
(WALMART FACTORY REPLACEMENT ONLY NOT SOLD)

These are from page 16 of the 2005 Winchester Parts Price List.

Same with the Levi's, the same with HP desktop computers, the same with televisions in general, Murray lawnmowers, etc.

Someone mentioned to me the other day about WalMart specifying stock dimensions on youth model Handi Rifles.  So be it.  Leupold scopes and Rifleman anyone.  Can't prove it, but hey, you prove me wrong.  

There is nothing wrong with have specifications and OEM's and everything else.  That is business.

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« Reply #63 on: March 22, 2006, 02:00:19 PM »
Why do you guys say the Winchester Mod 70 Black Shadow is cheap? Are you refering to cheap-inexpensive or cheaply made?  

The reason I ask is that my local Wal Mart has one and I was considering purchasing it.

Why?  I don't have a Mod 70 and never thought they would stop making them.  This is the only one I've seen recently where the price hasn't been inflated.

Please be honest and candid.  $400 is a lot of money, but it's new, it's a Mod 70 and someone is not trying to get rich off me.

Thank's much.

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« Reply #64 on: March 22, 2006, 03:46:58 PM »
I don't know but maybe this explains some of their firearms policies.


Clinton Quiet About Past Wal-Mart Ties By BETH FOUHY, AP Political Writer
Fri Mar 10, 4:59 PM ET
 
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NEW YORK - With retail giant Wal-Mart under fire to improve its labor and health care

policies, one Democrat with deep ties to the company — Sen.     Hillary Rodham Clinton

— has started feeling her share of the political heat.
 
Clinton served on Wal-Mart's board of directors for six years when her husband was

governor of Arkansas. And the Rose Law Firm, where she was a partner, handled many

of the Arkansas-based company's legal affairs.

Clinton had kind words for Wal-Mart as recently as 2004, when she told an audience at

the convention of the National Retail Federation that her time on the board "was a great

experience in every respect."

But in recent months, as the company has become a target for Democratic activists, she

has largely steered clear of any mention of Wal-Mart. And late last year, Clinton's

re-election campaign returned a $5,000 contribution from Wal-Mart, citing "serious

differences with current company practices."

As Clinton sheds her Arkansas past and looks ahead to a possible 2008 presidential

run, the Wal-Mart issue presents an exquisite dilemma: how to reconcile the political

demands she faces today with her history at a company many American consumers

depend upon but many Democratic activists revile.

"The interesting question is not just     Hillary Clinton's history at Wal-Mart, but why it's

delicate for her to talk about Wal-Mart," said Charles Fishman, author of "The Wal-Mart

Effect," a book on the company's impact on the national economy. "Plenty of Democrats

denounce Wal-Mart, but there are also plenty of people who need it, love it and rely on it."

___

In 1986, when Wal-Mart's founder, Sam Walton, tapped Clinton to be the company's first

female board member, Wal-Mart was a fraction of its current size, with $11.9 billion in net

sales.

Today, Wal-Mart is the world's largest retailer and largest private employer, with over

$312 billion in sales last year and 1.3 million employees or "associates" in the U.S.

alone. But recently, the company has drawn intense scrutiny for its labor practices —

from its wages to the lack of affordable health coverage for employees, to its stiff

resistance to unionization.

Throughout the 1980s, both Bill and Hillary Clinton nurtured relationships with Walton, a

conservative Republican and by far Arkansas' most influential businessman.

Among other things, Hillary Clinton sought Walton's help in 1983 for     Bill Clinton's

so-called Blue Ribbon Commission on Education, a major effort to improve Arkansas'

troubled public schools. The overhaul became a centerpiece of Clinton's governorship.

And Wal-Mart's Made in America campaign, which for years touted the company's sales

of American products in its stores, was launched after Bill Clinton persuaded Walton to

help save 200 jobs at an Arkansas shirt manufacturing plant. The Made in America

campaign has virtually vanished in recent years, as the company's manufacturing has

gradually moved overseas — another point of criticism by many anti-Wal-Mart activists.

The Clintons also benefited financially from Wal-Mart. Hillary Clinton was paid $18,000

each year she served on the board, plus $1,500 for each meeting she attended. By 1993

she had accumulated at least $100,000 in Wal-Mart stock, according to Bill Clinton's

federal financial disclosure that year. The Clintons also flew for free on Wal-Mart

corporate planes 14 times in 1990 and 1991 in preparation for Bill Clinton's 1992

presidential bid.

___

Wal-Mart has little to say about Hillary Clinton's board service, and will not release

minutes of the company's board meetings during her tenure. Lorraine Voles, Clinton's

communications director, turned down a request for an interview with the senator.

Still, details have come to light over the years.

Bob Ortega, author of "In Sam We Trust," a history of Wal-Mart, said Clinton used her

position to urge the company to improve its gender and racial diversity. Because of

Clinton's prodding, Walton agreed to hire an outside firm to track the company's

progress in hiring women and minorities, Ortega said.

"These were things the company was not addressing and wouldn't have, had she not

pushed them to do so," Ortega said. "She's somebody who could definitely get things done."
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« Reply #65 on: March 22, 2006, 03:56:01 PM »
I talked to the girl in my local Wally World she said there were about 60 stores in Ill that are not going to be selling guns anymore. Ours has not gotten the axe so far.  I have only bought one gun out there since they started a 700 rem on clearance for $235 a few years ago. I get my guns whole sale threw a friend with a FFL.

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All right, enough B.S., let's get to the REAL QUESTION!
« Reply #66 on: March 22, 2006, 04:59:53 PM »
That real question being:

When do the guns go on clearance...?

I'd gladly take a few guns at 30%+ off to help clear the inventory...  :grin:


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Re: All right, enough B.S., let's get to the REAL QUESTION!
« Reply #67 on: March 22, 2006, 05:09:51 PM »
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That real question being:

When do the guns go on clearance...?

I'd gladly take a few guns at 30%+ off to help clear the inventory...  :grin:


They don't...at least that's what the guy at my WW told me.  He said that they will be transferring them all to other stores.

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« Reply #68 on: March 22, 2006, 05:26:27 PM »
I am willing to bet that they go on clearance.  The Win M70 Black Shadow that I bought 2 months ago for $225 was a California gun made in 1998.  It sat in a warehouse for years until they decided to close up shop in California.  

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When I say that the Black Shadow is cheap I mean that the stock is a flimsy piece of junk, the Weaver type mounts had offset holes, the Simmons scope is a joke, the recoil pad is a slab of meaty rubber and the blueing was poorly polished.  I all fairness, I bought the rifle because it was $225.  I figure that the action is worth that.  I bought it fully intended to trash the scope and stock.  The finish doesn't bother me, it is just an observation.  They cut everything possible to make the price point that's all, not really that it is a poor rifle.  I did have Loctite at the chamber from sloppy assembly of the action screws, but I am willing to grant them some slack.  

The only price change that I have seen was to $325 (still at a loss).  If they want $400 then it is the Super Shadow or it is priced incorrectly and you should ask them to rescan it.  I should be $325.

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« Reply #69 on: March 23, 2006, 01:33:46 AM »
Thank you, bluebayou.  Great information.  I appreciate the details and inside info.

I knew that the scope was junk and would most likely reserve it for a .22.  I was concerned that it my have tooling marks, burr's or something similar in the manufacturing that would could cause the action to be rough or affect some other part of the the rifles ability to fuction correctly.

I will return today to take a closer look.

Thanks very much.

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« Reply #70 on: March 23, 2006, 11:37:35 AM »
I have three Walmarts close to me. One has already removed there guns. The next one said he hasnt heard if they are on the chopping block. But he said that every WM should already know if they are going to lose there guns. So he thinks that they get to keep theres. He also said that if they did lose them it would hurt them really bad because they sold a lot of guns. The other WM I wont set foot in, its a super WM.

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« Reply #71 on: March 23, 2006, 12:34:43 PM »
The finish on the Black Shadow is great.  It is a uniform, smooth blueing.  It just isn't polished brightly.  There are more tooling marks on my Remington ADL and SPS by far.  Not to slight my favorite rifles, just saying that they have cheap finishing.

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« Reply #72 on: March 24, 2006, 02:12:17 PM »
For what it is worth, we got an email today at WalMart that said something to the effect of "your store will be one of the ones receiving guns from the ones that is quitting firearms".  It also said more or less, "you will be receiving marked down (clearance) guns and guns that have cosmetic damage or visible age, these guns should be marked down when you note them."

So everyone should keep a look out for a bargain or two.

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« Reply #73 on: March 24, 2006, 02:43:02 PM »
Thanks for the heads-up, bluebayou.

By the way, I picked up a Mod 70 Black Shadow today.  On the way to Wall Mart to check out the price, I stopped by a gun shop that I frequent and upon mentioning the Mod 70 the owner said he recently bought one from a customer and had yet to put it out for sale.  He offered it to me.  It's a .30-06 and has a Simmons Deerfield scope which is labled as made in Japan.  The rifle is in very good condition with no visible belmishes.  The recoil pad does not fit the stock very well.  The action is smooth and the gun looks like its been well cared for.  I was able to get it for $300 OTD.  I never got to Wal Mart.  But I will be keeping a close check for any bargains.

Now I have to do some research on the scope.

Thank again for the information.  It helped a gret deal.

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« Reply #74 on: March 27, 2006, 06:53:20 PM »
To no surprise, Walmart in this state has bowed out from selling firearms. I asked the sporting goods manager if they would have a price clearance and was informed that they are taking all remaining inventory and shipping it back to Bentonville to be re-distributed in other states. I would rather support my local sporting goods store anyway.

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« Reply #75 on: March 30, 2006, 04:21:13 PM »
Not a good thing :(.  I've technically only purchased 2 guns at Wal-mart, but they do a lot to keep prices down at other locations.  At least they're not totally closing up.   If people are still willing to drive to buy a gun, the other stores won't raise prices immediately.  Then again, even with Wal-marts everyone the closest gunshop around here generally charges 50-60% more than Wal-mart (a lot more than most gunshops I hear about on the net, but they're the only specialty store around :().

I'll have to check our local stores tommorow to see if they'll be closing.  We are in a very, very rural area with a lot of hunters and such so they do a lot of firearms sales, but I'm not sure how it compares to the national level.  

If they close up I guess it's Gallery of Guns, GunBroker and Sports Authority for me.

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« Reply #76 on: March 31, 2006, 03:02:03 AM »
I was at Wallyworld last night and ask the lady in sporting goods about what I had been reading on this forum about Wallmart and if it was true. She informed me that it was and that it would not affect that store since they are one of the top 5 in the nation for selling guns. So now I don,t have to worry anymore.I feel for the rest of you. There are two other shops in the area that I get ammo for my sons yugo 48 but the rest of there prices are two high compared two Wallyworlds even thouhg I shop there as little as possible. I also have a Bass Pro 30 miles from me so I guess I must be livin right here in central Mo. I did ask the clerk if they had any good deals and she informed me that they did not and did not expect any since their inventory wood be going up.

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« Reply #77 on: April 01, 2006, 01:54:03 AM »
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For what it is worth, we got an email today at WalMart that said something to the effect of "your store will be one of the ones receiving guns from the ones that is quitting firearms". It also said more or less, "you will be receiving marked down (clearance) guns and guns that have cosmetic damage or visible age, these guns should be marked down when you note them."

So everyone should keep a look out for a bargain or two.


Ahhhhh.......that's some good news. been wondering about that one myself. Thanks for the info.
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« Reply #78 on: April 01, 2006, 04:25:15 AM »
Talked to our local (smaller) Walmart and they know of no plans to phase out gun sales!

Said they sell more than 30 firearms per month, wether that is "that big" of a figure.

However, one of the two full-time sales associates (our local Walmart did do away with a part-time gun dept manager and replaced him with a full-time manager) did acknowledge that Wally World is cutting inventory quantities in their warehouses across the ENTIRE slection of ALL departments in the organization.

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« Reply #79 on: April 02, 2006, 04:36:10 AM »
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The finish on the Black Shadow is great.  It is a uniform, smooth blueing.  It just isn't polished brightly.  There are more tooling marks on my Remington ADL and SPS by far.  Not to slight my favorite rifles, just saying that they have cheap finishing.


Not to get oof subject, but I use to own many Rem 700`s and they were made very well and shot 10 times better than that. As the years went by, I have seen a significant drop in quality of the 700`s, mostly in fit and finish starting about the time they started making the 700 SDL Synthetic. before that, my 700 BDL`s in Wood and Synthetic were perfect, I couldn`t find 1 flaw. Also, the New Pad they put on the stock is the worst thing I have ever felt and it is thinner now and the pull is shorter and the gun feels very odd to me now and the fit and finish even on the fancy wood BDL`s are clearly not as nice as 15-20 years ago. What is going on at Remington these days? Jack.

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« Reply #80 on: April 02, 2006, 07:17:25 AM »
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« Reply #81 on: April 02, 2006, 01:57:38 PM »
I totally agree, who ever runs Remington these days don`t have a clue and seam out of touch with what we want. They have totally turned me off from their porducts. Who the Heck ever designed that new supid butt pad anyway :) Jack.

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« Reply #82 on: April 04, 2006, 06:25:11 AM »
We have about 25 Walmarts within a hours drive of where I live..and in the closest one to me they will be stopping next year when they remodel the store..I was told there that they will just sell them as normal till they stop selling them..nothing going on sale or getting closed out..

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