Author Topic: Texas bar bust (Read 1367 times)

stimpylu32 · « **on:** March 22, 2006, 02:03:55 PM »

Am i the only one that thinks that the state of Texas should be spending money on more important things than arresting people for public intoxacation inside of the bar .

The state Alcoholic Beverage Com. sent officers in to 36 bars and arrested 30 people for this as a way to stop drunk drivers , they said that being in a bar does not exempt someone from the law of public drunkeness .

Just another way for big brother to try to tell us how to live our lives and in this case just plain DUMB

Brett · « **Reply #1 on:** March 22, 2006, 04:39:04 PM »

Wait a minute... your telling us the state ABC went to 36 bars and only found 30 drunks? :? They must have gotten there before noon.

victorcharlie · « **Reply #2 on:** March 22, 2006, 04:48:34 PM »

Prohibition all over again...........liberty continues it's decline......

williamlayton · « **Reply #3 on:** March 22, 2006, 08:15:16 PM »

I have no concept of how other folks out of Texas do it but the boys down here are highly intollerant of anyone who would drink and drive.
Public intoxication has always been against the law.
There are two things which will always guarantee a fight in a bar in Texas--a pool table and a Yankee/ :wink:
These ol open fronts have caused a lot of grief for families and there are a lot of boys that cannot fathom going home sober. I am for close supervision of those who cannot/will not/refuse to drink responsibly. They bring it on theirownselves.
Blessings

Brett · « **Reply #4 on:** March 23, 2006, 01:31:18 AM »

Quote from: williamlayton

There are two things which will always guarantee a fight in a bar in Texas--a pool table and a Yankee/ :wink:

Gulp! :excuseme:

victorcharlie · « **Reply #5 on:** March 23, 2006, 03:35:20 AM »

I see no problem with drinking provided that if one is arrested for a crime drinking should not be used as a defense.

One of the first big problems that almost broke the union was the introduction of a whiskey tax.

Personal responsibility is what I want. If a fellow wants to drink, that's fine by me. If he want's to drink and drive that's not okay. Drink, drive, and have a serious accident then a fair amount of jail time should be mandatory.

I suspect what will happen will be the advent of private clubs where a fellow pays a dollar and joins the club and then drinks. No more public drunks as now the club is private and problem solved.

FWiedner · « **Reply #6 on:** March 23, 2006, 03:37:13 AM »

Quote from: williamlayton

I have no concept of how other folks out of Texas do it but the boys down here are highly intollerant of anyone who would drink and drive.
Public intoxication has always been against the law.
There are two things which will always guarantee a fight in a bar in Texas--a pool table and a Yankee/ :wink:
These ol open fronts have caused a lot of grief for families and there are a lot of boys that cannot fathom going home sober. I am for close supervision of those who cannot/will not/refuse to drink responsibly. They bring it on theirownselves.
Blessings

They are hard on drunk drivers now, but they weren't before about 15 years ago.

It wasn't until just this past year that they finally decided that open containers might be a bad thing.

This is primarily due to the influence of immigrant sissies from the north-east and a newfound tolterance for the nonsense generally spouted by women.

The way it's going, I'm surprised that there's not a law that requires doillies in pick-up trucks.

:?

Brett · « **Reply #7 on:** March 23, 2006, 12:15:11 PM »

Quote from: victorcharlie

I suspect what will happen will be the advent of private clubs where a fellow pays a dollar and joins the club and then drinks. No more public drunks as now the club is private and problem solved.

This is not anything new. When I went to college in West Virginia 26 years ago 'private clubs' were common place.

Brett · « **Reply #8 on:** March 23, 2006, 12:21:49 PM »

Quote from: TM7

Arresting somebody for a violation, to prevent someother crime that they haven't yet [or might not] committed is evil. Oh well, police work is easy in a police state [Charlton Heston] And in Texas of all places!!!
...........................TM7

Shsssss.... Don't be giving Kennedy, Lautenberg et all any ideas. They will be pushing for laws to round up all gun owners for the crimes we haven't yet (and probably won't) committed. :eek:

victorcharlie · « **Reply #9 on:** March 23, 2006, 02:30:44 PM »

Your tax dollars at work.....none the less it doesn't see like a good way to spend the publics money. I guess the crime level in Texas is so low that policemen in Texas have nothing better to do?

Pure revenue enhancement at the expense of the general public.

How about solving a real crime instead of fleecing the citizens!

I've said this before.......Soon, we'll all be criminals.

stimpylu32 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 24, 2006, 01:16:38 PM »

A trick that i learned many years ago when i still drank was to call a tow truck , not a cab . sure it cost more to get me and my truck home but it was still cheaper than a DUI . :wink:

williamlayton · « **Reply #11 on:** March 25, 2006, 03:07:01 AM »

Well now seems this has taken life.
TEXAS, by GOD is a good ol place to be, friendly and peace lovin, good timin folks.
One of them ol open fronts is not exactly a place spewin out the better part of society. Now doan get me wrong, I am not picking a fight with any who prefer an open front. Matter of fact I will point out that it is rather small minded of myownself to suggest it--it is just that open fronts in Texas is pretty common. Let's change the description too bars/clubs.
The BOYS in Texas got their hands full of folks who would frequent these places, become ten foot tall and bulletproof.
Lordy their is not enough room on the late news to show all the 10ft boys layin in the gutters--face down. Newspapers doan even bother trying too keep up with em.
All them places got pool tables and fancy girls.
I can recant the story, first hand, of a friend years and years ago. Good heavy weight fighter, real good, but a better fighter. A small Mexican boy and a pool table. The Mexican boy offered to take my friend down a notch. My friend declined saying he was a professional and all, was 23-0 in Texas . The Mexican allowed as how if he would go out back he would be 23-1. Cooler heads prevailed.
Yes, 20 years ago it ws common for folks down here to drink and drink and drive---I was one of em--- but it caused so much grief that tha BOYS were driven to clean it up---and they done a good job of it too.
Blessings

Brett · « **Reply #12 on:** March 25, 2006, 03:29:41 AM »

I have no tolerance for drunk drivers, after all it is my life and the lives of my friends and family that are at stake. That said I don't agree with the notion of arresting people because they have the potential of committing a crime. If being drunk inside a bar is a criminal act then you have a serious argument for entrapment. If it becomes common place to arrest people because they have the means or potential to commit crimes we would soon all find ourselves behind bars and I don't mean the kind that serve spirits. In New Jersey it was (probably still is) common practice for the cops to set up DUI stops a block away from the popular watering holes to catch actual drunk drivers not potential drunk drivers. IMHO Texas would do good to rethink their DUI program.

magooch · « **Reply #13 on:** March 25, 2006, 03:53:05 AM »

In this area I've heard of people being arrested for having control of a motor vehicle while intoxicated if they are caught sleeping it off in their car while parked in a parking lot. I guess if you're going to be a public drinker, you'd better know and follow the rules.

FWiedner · « **Reply #14 on:** March 25, 2006, 05:15:28 AM »

Quote from: C. S. LEWIS

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

Quote from: Alexis de Tocqueville

After having thus successively taken each member of the community in its powerful grasp and fashioned him at will, the supreme power then extends its arm over the whole community. It covers the surface of society with a network of small, complicated rules, minute and uniform, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate, to rise above the crowd. The will of man is not shattered, but softened, bent, and guided; men seldom forced by it to act, but they are constantly restrained from acting. Such a power does not destroy, but it prevents existence; it does not tyrannize, but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd.

Quote from: DANIEL WEBSTER

Good intentions will always be pleaded for any assumption of power. The Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.

These actions have less to do with law enforcement and public safety and more to do with control and public intimidation.

This is nothing more than a bunch of pseudo-moral busy-bodies who can't find a way to mind their own damned business using their political connections to buy influence to have the police abuse law-abiding citizens who are engaged in overtly legal activity.

:?

dodd3 · « **Reply #15 on:** March 25, 2006, 03:12:51 PM »

let me get this straite they where arrested for being drunk and mite drive a car after they leave. as it was said what if you walked there or caught a cab there, what's the next step raid someones house when they are having are party and arrest the drunk people there. glad i dont live in texas.dont get me wrong i hate drunk drivers as much as anyone but what ever happend to inocent till proven guilty.
bernie :shock:

Brett · « **Reply #16 on:** March 25, 2006, 03:49:41 PM »

I can't help but think that this is driven by someone with greater political aspirations that is hoping to cash in on the MADD votes.

ShadowMover · « **Reply #17 on:** March 25, 2006, 04:49:05 PM »

This guy Joseph Farah has an interesting take on it.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49409
He also posts a link to the TAB , (Texas Alcoholic Beverage). I sent them an email. He doesn't post the email link, but if you read the article, you can figure out which office it is. They might like to hear what you think about how they are doing their job. Everybody can use feedback.

williamlayton · « **Reply #18 on:** March 26, 2006, 01:23:23 AM »

I would think-not know- that public intoxication is pretty well noticable, it is with me.
Now I would agree with the post of shadowmover and his link, however, that was not the way I took the original post so therfore; I don't know. I would agree to the Boys being proactive but would conciede that it could be outright abuse of power, seems that is what you folks is argueing.
Seems we need some clarification of the situation.
Blessings

ShadowMover · « **Reply #19 on:** March 26, 2006, 05:44:16 AM »

Telling a cop it's non of his business where you are going is certain to get you 'in deeper' just about anywhere, not just New York. That's where the problem is. We are all 'guilty' of something if they want to push the rules and laws to the max. Who among us uses a turn signal at every lane change, or hasn't wandered too close to the middle or edge of the road? A cop can find something to write you up for if he wants, and it's your problem and time to fight it in court. This is especially true when it's not close to where you live. Who is going to drive 300 miles to fight a 65 mph ticket in a 55 zone? If you give him any 'lip' you get to wait for the drug sniffing dog and guess what, the dog finds a 'hit' and your car gets trashed or hauled to some impound yard owned by the sheriff's brother in law. The most serious crime can be 'contempt of cop'.
This is not from personal experience, so I'm not trying to justify any personal situation. My last traffic ticket was 10 years ago, for doing 75 in a 65 zone at 3 AM while traveling through AZ. I was so clean I squeaked, but you could see the cop anticipating he had caught a live one.

I agree with knowing public drunkenness when you see it. Nobody likes to see it, even at a bar. If the bartender had called the TAB or the cops, nobody would care, and it would be no concern for us. We shouldn't have to live in fear of cops arresting us for going about our daily lives while doing things in a legal manner. This is a bigger danger than any terrorist , IMHO.

Maybe some law enforcement officers who read this board would care to comment on how they see the situation, and maybe relate an experience or two.

buffermop · « **Reply #20 on:** March 27, 2006, 07:14:46 PM »

What does one expect from "Bush Country" They favor non -citizen rights over Americans and want outsiders to run our country. Where is the ACLU? :roll:

williamlayton · « **Reply #21 on:** March 27, 2006, 11:16:45 PM »

NOW, hold on jest a minute. Putting all us boys in one basket is not the correct thing to do, specially since this boy is the son of a carpetbagger anyway.
Now WE do not hanker for any OUTSIDE the great state of TEXAS, by GOD to think they are coming here and telling us what we think.
I must also add that he has more hat than cattle anyway.
Blessings :wink:

Jim n Iowa · « **Reply #22 on:** March 31, 2006, 03:05:44 PM »

Burrermop
You do have, and I recognize the first amendment. How ever this board is not made up of ignorant rednecks. You would do well to investigate some of the issues regarding foreign involvement, before you lash out at the great state of Texas, and our commander in chief.
Jim