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Offline GeneRector

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« on: April 14, 2006, 05:00:47 AM »
:D Howdy!  Some states have harvest rules regarding the size of a black bear that may be taken. Other states may not even have a minimum on how small a legal bear can be. Well, I have been thinking that a good bear should be at least 200lbs.  However, it is somewhat difficult at times to get a good estimate on the size and weight of a bear your fixing to shoot. I have heard that you should look at the ears in relation to the head. Thus, small rounded ears should be a good bear with younger bears showing a longer pointed ear. Anyway, my question is, "how small of a bear would you shoot if any size bear is legal?"  Your views appreciated.  Thanks!
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« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2006, 06:00:08 AM »
Up in AK, we aren't allowed to shoot "cinnamon" bears, or off colored reddish, which are in their first or second years.  I would put 200lbs at my minimum.  in my area, a good black bear is in the 275-325 range.  If I was hutnting SE costal, I would try and go for the big boys in the 350-500lb range.  when sizing, aging, and sexing bears, I always look for the shape of the head.  The longer the triangle, ears to end of snout, the more likely I won't take the shot.  If you have a equilateral triangle between these features, then you are most likely dealing with a mature male bear.  Though in all reality, it's really darn had to tell, especially if you don't have much experience seeing them.
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« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2006, 04:05:58 PM »
GeneRector:  Now you have asked a hard question! I am not sure I can answer it.  Trying to tell the differance between a 150lb bear and a 200lb bear  is difficult to do.   But trying to decide between a 150 and 300 lbs is a bit easier.  You will be able to tell that there is a differance!  

   Every body seems to have a different theory on how to rate a black bear's size, in the wild.  

  The only for sure thing I know is It  takes looking at a few bears over time and It's easier on the ground then in a tree.  

  I have had guys tell me I shot a huge bear and when you got up to it, it was 125lbs. Also just as many miss judge the other way.  

  Here is what I have told folks over the years that may help you.  Keep in mind it's not 100%.  

If your up in a tree stand:

  The head should look smaller in relationship to the body.  Big body small head = (read a lot of times) decent black bear.  (again I stress this is not exact but will help you, I think.)  If the bear is walking directly away from you, and you can see is bear butt and nothing else (read big hind quarters) it's a decent bear.  If they are broad side and they look like the head is really small and the front shoulders are small compared to the belly and hind quarters, its a good bear.  Just think of a steer with a big belly and bloated he weighs a lot. Now think of a young steer with a sleek look and no bloat.  He's usually lighter than the big belly one. Also old black bears may have battle marks and worn ears from fighting

   Lastly:  Foot prints. I have found foot prints to be a poor judge of black bear size. I have seen some big foot prints over the years that came from some small young bears.  Ever seen a young male dog with big feet?  He is going to be big some day but he isn't yet, just his feet are.  His body has not caught up to his foot size. I have found the same thing  with black bears.  Now if the ground is harder and his track is deep, might be a brusier.

  Sorry for the long post but I truely wanted to give you the best help I know. :D

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« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2006, 06:25:21 PM »
corbanzo, where does it say you cant shoot cinnamons up here? grant it they are smaller but I know quite a few that have been sealed by fins and feathers with no problems. The real only law up here that most folks have to worry about is shooting a bear with cubs or griz over bait in most areas.

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« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2006, 05:53:19 PM »
Straight from the regs, word for word:

You may not take black or brown/grizzly bear cubs or sows accompanied by cubs.  Cub bear means a brown/grizzly bear in 1st or 2nd year of life, or a black bear (including cinnamon and blue color phases) in the 1st year of life.  


http://www.wildlife.alaska.gov/regulations/pdfs/bear1.pdf
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« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2006, 07:40:08 PM »
Dude, that doesnt mean that you cant shoot a cinnamon or glacier bear. there just being very specific about cubs since there alot of morons hunting up here. It is legal to shoot  color phased bears. go talk to the fins and feathers in seward, they'll tell ya. My wife has rugged a few colored bears, all sealed by F&G. Believe it or not some people dont know that glacier and cinnamons are blackies.

Its pretty bad that they have to word it the way they do, but alot of so called hunters dont even know they have take the skull out for sealing (yeah its in the regs too, some people cant read I guess).

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« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2006, 02:11:14 AM »
I look for ears that are falling off the side of the head, a belly that is hanging and nearly dragging the ground, heavy ankles (indicates a boar), and... the most desirable is a face that looks like a pumpkin.

Other than size, I would consider any non-juvenile color phase or a nice white patch on the throat.

If you would like to see a couple photos of a live one that I would definitely shoot, go to this album and check out the pics titled "Other bear".  I walked right up to this bear across a tidal flat as I was packing out the meat of one I alrady took.  I went back the next spring and fall but couldn't find it.

http://community.webshots.com/album/74014686qlyZGT

Just out of curiosity what states have a size requirement, other than cub or sow with cub?

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« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2006, 10:33:23 AM »
Those "other bears" look pretty good.  Are you looking for their kin this Spring?
No such thing as too dead.