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Offline Buckfever

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« on: April 09, 2006, 05:29:33 PM »
Am I messing up?  I am going on my first bear hunt and will be in thick cover over bait in Manitoba.  I want to try the iron sites, with a glowing front bead, for the 20 yd shot.  Is this incorrect?  Should I have a low power scope?  I thought if they can do this with a bow why not a rifle?
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« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2006, 05:53:16 PM »
For the hunting you are doing, I'd go irons all the way. no questions asked.

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« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2006, 07:05:17 PM »
Heck, for a 20 yard shot you ought to be able to hit it with NO sights!!
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« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2006, 08:19:20 PM »
Iron, hands down.
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« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2006, 01:55:52 AM »
I like a red-dot sight. But I am using a handgun.  But the best way to answer your question, which one do you shoot more accurately and which one do you feel more comfortable with. That is the only thing that matters.  :D
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« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2006, 05:57:59 AM »
If your eyes are as bad as mine, iron won't work! My 6.5x55 has a 1x4 power Redfield. At 1x or 2x I'll bet you can get on target quicker and in low light see the sights a whole lot better. My 30-06 also has a 2 3/4x Redfield. It is VERY fast on target and gathers lots of light. Another thing to concider is an extended eye relief scope mounted on your barrel. I saw one done like that in Alaska years ago and it was pure poison getting on target. But I also though it was ugly as sin!
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« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2006, 06:07:37 AM »
How many of the folks giving this advice to go with irons have ever been in the situation he is going to be in?

The situation as I understand it from folks who've hunted bear over bait and reported means he will be hunting in VERY THICK cover. The shot may not come until the very last moments of shooting light. Yes it will likely be up close but some places put rifle hunters on stands more like 50 yards than 20 yards from the bait.

So can the irons even with fiber optics be seen? Likely not with my eyes. I see very poorly in dark and near dark situations. I also don't see irons very well at all even tho I do still use them and love to hunt with them on handguns but only when light is good.

Personally I'd go with a VERY low magnification scope or if you're more trusting of batteries and electronics than me with a red dot sight.

And no I've never hunted bear over bait but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last year when in OK.  :-D


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« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2006, 08:13:07 AM »
You should probably call your guide and ask what he recommends for his area!

  But I have ran bear baits for more years than I can count.  My experience has shown me that most of the bear in my area hit the baits at almost dark. There are exceptions but most are dusk.  Add the deep woods and it makes things hard to see.  I  have had to remove  the sight hoods off rifles to try to see the front sight.  The red dot scopes work well at baits as do illum scopes and regular good quality scopes (read light gathering qualities).  

  A fellow that shot a good bear off of one of  my baits with a scoped rifle last year said "I couldn't see the cross hairs on the bear so I just centered the whole scope picture on the bear and pulled the trigger. He vowed he would never use a black recticle again for bear hunting and said that one of his lighted recticles would have been a perfect choice. I do not know about that because I have used scopes with black recticles that really brought in a lot of light.

  Now all that said I personally use a iron sighted pistol most of the time, once in awhile I will use a Iron sighted rifle. I find tracking them with iron sights is easier than a scoped rifle.  If your like most hunters using a guide, you are pressed for time.  A four or five day hunt, maybe a little more. You will want every advantage you can have and spend every minute you legally can on the bait.  The red dot's or scopes will assit you in that. But for me who is not in a hurry to fill my tag and have many baits I can hunt.  I opt for iron sights.  

Distances:  In the past I put bow stands at 15-20 yds.  My gun stands run 25-50 yds from the bait.  Depending on wind movements in the area.   If a fellow with a pistol was going to be hunting one of my stands, I would most likey put him on a bow stand, unless I knew him and how he shot with a pistol.  Also I put my stands at least 20 feet high for scent purposes.  I used to think higher was better, but a fellow I know uses ground blinds and his hunters seem to have as good of luck as anyone.  So I am tending to re-think that one a little.  

I am no expert and I bet there are a few on here that have as much and probably more experience than I. But I have baited many many years and taken my share of black bear.  The area/bears/baits you are hunting may or may not be the same as my area. I know that I have lived in other states and baited bears and that the bears behaved a little bit different than they do here in Maine.  

 The best advise I can give is: If I were you and booking a bear hunt, I would talk to the expert in that area (my guide).  There ain't a guide around that wouldn't be thrilled that you took the time to ask questions before you showed up. :D

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« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2006, 08:14:46 AM »
LMAO Greybeard @holiday inn.

I hunt over bait every spring. Depending on what staion I'm gonna be hunting over I will use either my co-pilot with ghost rings or a bolt gun with a leupold 1.5x5.

Theres alot of variables but just generically, I like irons over bait

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« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2006, 11:09:20 AM »
If I could see like I did when I was in my 20's, 30's or 40's I would love to hunt iron sights.  But now its hard to pickup the front scope with bi-focals.  So I can set a scope sight adjustment to my eyes with or without glasses.  I use 2-7X33mm  Leupold scope and it picks up quickly and helps with the light.   I really like Leupold scopes as they are the best I have found in my hunting years, and they are made in America.

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« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2006, 12:01:38 PM »
In Valdez it is usually raining in some form or the other.   So for close up and personal in a stand or walking in I use open sights on my 870 and handguns.  If you could see 20 yards on the ground you would be doing good.  The brush usualy soaks scope lens and makes the usless.

But!:  I would call your guide and ask for the actual shooting distance that you will be shooting.  A 2x7 Leupold set at 2x would be hard to beat up in a tree.  But at 20 yards you might be seeing only black fur.  If the shot was 50 yards then the scope would be valuable.

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« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2006, 12:46:29 AM »
If your going to use a Rifle, go with a low powered scope if you are going with a handgun go with a 2X scope or red-dot. GB is right about the low light condition. The red-dot has worked great for me.  :D
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« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2006, 01:37:51 PM »
On a tip from a gun smith I painted the front tip site with Glow Orange jig paint used on fishing jigs.  Man did that help pick it up in low light and the black shirt I practice with out side for siting.  I remember when I was a kid shooting a 22lr with them.  Yea I know my eyes were better then.  

Bye the way Doctor (Holiday Inn) Greybeard, do you suppose if I stay in a Holiday Inn on the way up to Canada I will know what to do when that Big Boar climbs up my tree?        Buckfever