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Offline Sir Charles deMoutonBlack

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Paper Cartridges for muzzle loading shotgun
« on: April 06, 2006, 03:29:06 PM »
I know how to make cartridges for cap'n ball pistols from rollin' paper.  I know how to make them for rifles and muskets.

What I'd like to know if there is a practical way to make paper shot cartridges for my double muzzle loading shotgun.  The old wildfowlers couldn't all afford to have a matched pair, and a Ghillie to load them!

BTW, "Cuts Crooked" from CASCity linked me to this forum.  Any help will be appreciated.

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« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2006, 04:59:18 PM »
You'll need a nitro wad, then a cushion wad, your paper cartridge (open at the top), and an overshot wad. Some folks use a couple of nitro wads and no cushion wad. So you can see only room for the shot in the paper cartridge.  :wink:
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« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2006, 05:09:11 PM »
Thanks;  Do you load in one step, or in stages?  I envision the problem being loading loose, and ramming tight.

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« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2006, 06:26:41 AM »
I carried out a sucessful test of my paper cartridges in a double ML shotgun.  See my post at <www.cascity.com>  CAS forums, darksider's den, topic "Muzzle Loading Shotgun for CAS?"

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« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2006, 05:58:53 PM »
I load powder, overpowder and ram it down tight. Then cushion or second over powder, and puch in down with my index finger. Now I put in the shot cup, and follow with the overshot card, then ram all down with one stroke.  :D
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« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2006, 06:15:46 PM »
I've had fairly good success using various weights of paper rolled and glued into a cylinder, then fold one end over and glue an over powder wad to it, fill the cylinder with the desired shot, then fold the end over and glue it, sometimes with a over shot wad, sometimes not.

Took some experimenting, but with a little help from a Muzzleblasts article 10 yrs ago or so, it worked. Powder is loaded, then the "cartridge" is pushed down bore and seated on top of the powder.

Had lots of Keyhole shaped holes in target before I got em to open up consistently. For turkeys with my trade gun, it took the head off lots of turkey targets!! Woulda kinda been like pouring paraffin in a shotgun cartridge load!! :lol:

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« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2006, 02:04:40 PM »
See my posts in cascity..

The point of using Cartridges is to speed things up, and minimize mistakes, by having everything except the cap, in one package.  For a flinter, use a bit of the main charge to prime before charging the barrel.

I've tried two types that seem to work, at least for me.

CARTRIDGE, SHOT, ML,12 Ga, Mark I*

This one is the paper tube made by rolling a 3" by 4.5" piece of wrapping paper around a tapered felt dry erase marker that happened to be the right size.  I used Gluestick to secure it.  It has to be tapered to allow it to drop into the muzzle freely, up to the overpowder card glued into the top.

I squish a conditioned cushion wad to a slightly smaller diameter and push it about 1 1/4" into the wide end of the tube.  Measure in shot, then push the overshot card on top of the shot.  Clip the 3/8 " of the tube remaining into 6 petals, and glue them down over the card.

While the glue sets, I lube the paper with bore butter, or a BP bullet lube like SPG.  I'm still experimenting here, so use your favorite.

Into the narrow end, I measure in the powder.  Pinch the paper flat, and fold the sides in to the center and then fold the resulting tail back over the cartridge.  They are best carried in some sort of cartridge box like the military ones of the mid-19th Century, with holes drilled in a wooden block to protect them.

To load, take the cartridge and tear off the tail.  Traditionally it was torn with your teeth.  Pinch the paper to open it a bit, and pour in the powder.  Drop the remaining cartridge, paper and all, into the barrel (The one you put the powder in!).  It will catch on the overpowder wad.  Do the same for the other barrel, if empty, and ram home, tamp, cap & fire.

If you have fired only one barrel, make sure you pick the empty one to reload!  My tests show that the unfired charge does NOT move forward, even after about four shots, but check it each time.

CARTRIDGE, BALL, ML, 12 Ga., MARK II

This one was inspired by English Minie-ball Cartridges of the Civil War era.  I tried it to solve the problem of a wrapped paper cartridge not fitting the bore snugly enough to be accurate.

Cut the bottom & top off a 12 gauge shell, the one made from tube stock, not the molded one like A-A.  Plastic is durable, and endlessly reloadable, but paper shells will be more traditional, and gain more "style points"!

Ram a ball with lubed patch down to the bottom of the tube.  Tamp in an overshot card to separate the patched ball from where the powder will reside.  Measure in the powder, and seal with another overshot card.  I place a bit of string around this card, so I can lift it out to drop the powder in the barrel.  I have a 12 gauge wad punch and make overshot wads out of waxed paper milk cartons.

Once the powder is down, place the remainder of the cartridge over the muzzle, and ram the ball down THROUGH the tube.  Ram it all the way down, discard the tube (Save to reload), cap and you are ready.

This one would be great for Smoothbore, or Tradegun matches.  Most Tradeguns are 20 gauge, and these insructions will work for any standard gauge.  For rifles, or odd gauges, you will have to locate, or make, tubing of the correct size.  I measured a bit of copper plumbing, and it came to .54!  I'll have to try it for my .54 Mortimer flinter.

Keep yer powder dry!