Author Topic: fast fuse (Read 1452 times)

williamlayton · « **on:** March 01, 2003, 12:55:28 AM »

got up too early--been up too long--second pot of coffee--sooo excuse the ramblings here--but--
i was thinking how short and fast the fuse was on what we consider the old west. didn't last 40 years did it. one generation (biblically speak) one tier of individuals who, for many of us, defined who we think we are and what we are about.
so who is really in that hall of fame? jessie james, the colters, the youngers, rip ford, bigfoot, the kid, jack hays, ect. ect.
who, to you, and why, does the one you think about first belong in this honor roll?
blessings
ps and maybe the road doesn't go on forever!

Capt Hamp Cox · « **Reply #1 on:** March 01, 2003, 03:55:49 PM »

Hey Old Buddy, between you and Holiday with his book review idea, we may just get something productive going here. I like your honor roll concept, but would like to concentrate on the more obscure nominees (those who never got the press of the Hardins, Earps, Hays', etc, but who did something significant [good or bad] during the target time frame). What say you?

Hamp

williamlayton · « **Reply #2 on:** March 02, 2003, 12:59:04 AM »

i'd say its your call and your opinion.
blessings

williamlayton · « **Reply #3 on:** March 02, 2003, 02:48:54 AM »

a ps/after thought
why would one not have the right to post more than one thought? it's information and ideas we are after here--right?---right!
blessings

williamlayton · « **Reply #4 on:** March 09, 2003, 01:16:49 AM »

i have a nomination-you have the right to argue the point this person is too modern--and i would have to agree if you can only put his name with bonnie and clyde.
he spans the period from 1892, which is pushing the end of the period we are concentrating on, thru modern history(modern for me as i am 62--ancient history for you young squirts).
why would i think of him you may ask-and you may ask--you would be correct if claiming it was because of recent reading- this would be circumstanial evedience as i have been considering him since the beginning of this process. it took me some pretty hard self convincing to even put his name forth before this illustrious, critical(and most learned if i do not embarass yall too much) group of skallawags. ooh yea you want to know who don't you(or have you already fallen asleep, lost interest and moved on)--- frank hamer-b 1884-d 1960's if my recollection is correct. the one man who brought the rangers from a qusi-military force to a modern day police force. not by himself mind you for he was taught by the passing guard of the frontier ranger and was a frontier ranger in his own mind. his exploits along the rio grande are legendary. he suffered no man and bowed to no political pressure. in fact he quit several times in defiance of the political powers. good reading if you really want saga-there are many books concering him still available.
i reserve the right to nominate further.
blessings

Capt Hamp Cox · « **Reply #5 on:** March 09, 2003, 02:52:01 AM »

Gotta endorse him since he was definitely a transitional (old west to new west) no nonsense lawman - kind of a last of the breed.

Just glad for one thing. I won't be as old as you are for another nine months.

Capt Hamp Cox · « **Reply #6 on:** March 09, 2003, 05:29:58 AM »

My first nominee is Captain Cicero Rufus Perry. Little known outside of Texas, this guy did not receive the press that many others did, primarily because he was relatively uneducated and not especially articulate. This site http://www.rootsweb.com/~txnavarr/Bios/cr_perry/ lists most of his significant involvements. Be sure to check out the "Frontier Sketch - 1856" and "CRP Links". I've accumulated copies of a lot of documents pertaining to his Texas Ranger days from the Texas State Archives, and they make for fascinating reading.

Edited to get url to show up as a hyperlink. Anyone else having problems doing this in your posts?

williamlayton · « **Reply #7 on:** March 09, 2003, 09:02:53 AM »

i read your post on him in the past and kinda figured you would bring him into the mix--and i agree.
well years don't tell the whole story do they--my mind is what is old--has been for many years.
blessings

williamlayton · « **Reply #8 on:** March 27, 2003, 02:57:05 AM »

hamp brought this into the mix.
tom horn (1860-1903)--scout, tracker,interperter,prospector,lawman,detective,and worked for the cattlemens association.
murderer?
hung for killing a 14 year old boy. had the reputation as a murderer. a trial, after the fact, in 1993 found him innocent of killing the boy--maybe.
blessings

williamlayton · « **Reply #9 on:** March 28, 2003, 12:11:59 AM »

henry andrew thomas "heck"--b-1850--d-1912
"heck"- because that was the roughest language he used.
served as a courier during civil was--atlanta deputy--moved to ft worth and became a detective. went to work for judge parker as a deputy u.s. marshal because the rewards for outlaws was good (made him a bounty hunter). helped in the capture of the daltons, doolins and others. was known in ti oklahoma territory as one of the three guardsmen along with bill tilghman and chris madsen. wounded over ten times during law career. liked colts and favored winchesters. dided of brights disease in 1912.
blessings

Capt Hamp Cox · « **Reply #10 on:** March 28, 2003, 11:15:57 AM »

I'll second the motion on both Heck and Tom. Gotta watch out, though, or people gonna wonder just what the Tom Heck is goin' on.

I think old Tom was very good at what he was hired to do by the big ranchers, but became an embarrasment to them, and was sacrificed by them. Don't think the circumstances associated with Tom's alleged "admission/confession" would be allowed in a trial today.

williamlayton · « **Reply #11 on:** March 28, 2003, 11:44:04 AM »

tom heck ? well-i dunno-firin both barrels again. :wink: :wink:
blessings

williamlayton · « **Reply #12 on:** March 28, 2003, 12:42:50 PM »

john horton slaughter-aka texas john slaughter (1841-1922) BORN SABINE PARRISH, la.--moved ealy in life to texas. was a frontier ranger with the likes of bigfoot wallace. got into the cattle business. moved to new mexico and arizona territories. became cattlaman, rancher, legislator-liked to gamble. small man, bout 5' 8 or 10". suffered no man. a dude called him tex two or three times-he turned on the man and said my name is slaughter and i would advise you to remember that the next time you call my name. his look could freeze a rattlesnake-and it was not a bluff. was voted in as sheriff-rid the territory of rustlers and other outlaws. was once in a card game that was fixed with marked cards. there were two or three gamblers with plans to fleece him. one of the gamblers was delt a straight flush to johns pair of duces. john raised the bet and put his 45 colt on top of his money. the gambler folded, got up from the table went to the bar for a drink. a kibitzer went up to him and asked why he folded. the gambler said nervously "because i like livin". texas john died in his sleep