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« on: April 17, 2006, 09:38:50 AM »
Iran dares US to attack
From: Agence France-Presse by Stefan Smith in Tehran
April 15, 2006  
IRAN has said it could defeat any American military action over its controversial nuclear drive, in one of the Islamic regime's boldest challenges yet to the United States.

"You can start a war but it won't be you who finishes it," said General Yahya Rahim Safavi, the head of the Revolutionary Guards and among the regime's most powerful figures.
"The Americans know better than anyone that their troops in the region and in Iraq are vulnerable. I would advise them not to commit such a strategic error," he told reporters on the sidelines of a pro-Palestinian conference in Tehran.

The United States accuses Iran of using an atomic energy drive as a mask for weapons development. Last weekend US news reports said President George W. Bush's administration was refining plans for preventive strikes on Iran's nuclear facilities.

"I would advise them to first get out of their quagmire in Iraq before getting into an even bigger one," General Safavi said with a grin.

"We have American forces in the region under total surveillance. For the past two years, we have been ready for any scenario, whether sanctions or an attack."


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Iran announced this week it had successfully enriched uranium to make nuclear fuel, despite a UN Security Council demand for the sensitive work to be halted by April 28.
The Islamic regime says it only wants to generate atomic energy, but enrichment can be extended to make the fissile core of a nuclear warhead -- something the United States is convinced that "axis of evil" member Iran wants to acquire.

At a Friday prayer sermon in Tehran, senior cleric Ayatollah Ahmad Janati simply branded the US as a "decaying power" lacking the "stamina" to block Iran's ambitions.

And hardline President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said that a US push for tough United Nations sanctions was of "no importance".

"She is free to say whatever she wants," the president replied when asked to respond to comments by US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice highlighting part of the UN charter that provides for sanctions backed up by the threat of military action.

"We give no importance to her comments," he said with a broad smile.

On Thursday, Ms Rice said that faced with Iran's intransigence, the United States "will look at the full range of options available to the United Nations".

"There is no doubt that Iran continues to defy the will of the international community," Rice said, after Iran also dismissed a personal appeal from the UN atomic watchdog chief Mohamed ElBaradei.

The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) chief must give a report at the end of April on Iranian compliance with the Security Council demand. In Tehran he said that after three years of investigations Iran's activities were "still hazy and not very clear".

Although the United States has been prodding the council to take a tough stand against the Islamic republic, including possible sanctions, it has run into opposition from veto-wielding members Russia and China.

Representatives of the five permanent members of the Security Council plus Germany are to meet in Moscow Tuesday to discuss the crisis.

In seeking to deter international action, Iran has been playing up its oil wealth, its military might in strategic Gulf waters and its influence across the region -- such as in Iraq, Lebanon and the Palestinian territories.

At the Tehran conference, Iran continued to thumb its nose at the United States and Israel.

"The Zionist regime is an injustice and by its very nature a permanent threat," Mr Ahmadinejad told the gathering of regime officials, visiting Palestinian militant leaders and foreign sympathisers.

"Whether you like it or not, the Zionist regime is on the road to being eliminated," said Mr Ahmadinejad, whose regime does not recognise Israel and who drew international condemnation last year when he said Israel should be "wiped off the map".

Unfazed by his critics, the hardliner went on to repeat his controversial stance on the Holocaust.

"If there is serious doubt over the Holocaust, there is no doubt over the catastrophe and Holocaust being faced by the Palestinians," said the president, who had previously dismissed as a "myth" the killing of an estimated six million Jews by the Nazis and their allies during World War II.

"I tell the governments who support Zionism to ... let the migrants (Jews) return to their countries of origin. If you think you owe them something, give them some of your land," he said.

Iran's turbaned supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, also accused the United States of seeking to place the entire region under Israeli control.

"The plots by the American government against Iran, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon aimed at governing the Middle East with the control of the Zionist regime will not succeed," Khamenei said.

There was no immediate reaction from Washington, but French Foreign Minister Philippe Douste-Blazy severely condemned Mr Ahmadinejad for his latest remarks on Israel.

"As I have had occasion to do before, when the Iranian president made similar statements, I condemn these unacceptable remarks in the strongest possible terms," Mr Douste-Blazy said.

"Israel's right to exist and the reality of the Holocaust should not be disputed," he added.

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« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2006, 12:21:11 PM »
Wasn't that what Iraq said, twice? They were wrong too.


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« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2006, 12:40:01 PM »
Yea, but when Iraq was saying that we weren't hip deep in their neighbor.  That whole area of the world is a waste of our time and effort.  We should nuke the whole region till it glows and then pump the oil out from a safe distance.

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« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2006, 01:14:38 PM »
I THINK YOU GUYS ARE RIGHT :-D

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« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2006, 01:51:15 AM »
"You can start a war but it won't be you who finishes it," said General Yahya Rahim Safavi, the head of the Revolutionary Guards and among the regime's most powerful figures.


Yahya might be right... After all when was the last time our politicians let us finish a war.  Lately we have been stopped or pulled out by the politicos just before the coupe de grace so that they don't look  like bullies or war mongers.
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« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2006, 04:23:30 AM »
Lets see, They have the Revolutionary Guard, no Air Force to speak of and their "working on a nuclear weapon.
   They fought a 7 year(about) war with the Iraqi`s who also had that dreaded Revolutionary Guard army which, by the way, only showed up on
   pay-days, holidays and parades. that`s why it took some much time as all were either at the bank, off on hoilday or getting geared up to march
  down highway-74 in Bag-dad.
 There are times when this type of crap ( chest thumping from the
   Iranians) makes you wonder if this isn`t the right time to give them the "big" one. Then on the other hand you think not all Iranians are buying into that type of saber rattling.  
  Then you remember they voted this guy in so they must back him 100%.
  His voice speaks for all.
  I`m all for a sound, workable solution that will get the cat back in the cage as there is no good out come if diplomacy fails.
  What ever we do lets not pussy foot around. Let the Generals call the shots after all they get paid big money to make the right decisions.
  Every man jack knows when the smoke clears who or what won`t be there.
  There could be 2 answers to that. The Revolutionary guard who was on Holiday or the whole country. :D
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« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2006, 09:31:41 AM »
The problem with our war strategies as I see it is that we thump someone then say, "See, that didn't hurt so bad.  Here.... lemme completely rebuild your infrastructure for you better than you ever thought it could have been."

The idea of whacking a country good then rebuilding everything we blew up is crazy.  That just shows them that if they act badly enough that we'll come in and try to make their country a better place.  We need to leave a good smoking hole to remind them of what happens when they do the wrong thing.  No invading, no gov't overthrow, no whacking their bottoms and then trying to be friends.... just whack'em good and send them to their rooms to let'em think a bit about what they did wrong.

Of course, this is just one of the many reasons that I'm not in office... LOL

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« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2006, 10:55:43 AM »
Let me first say I am not for starting another war unless it's absolutely necessary!  Now with that said I get a kick out of this little clown!

He hopes! we don't start another!

 What all these clowns (Third World Anti American Countries)  fail to understand is that we are doing what we are right now with a all volunteer military.  How many total troops right now do we have in all services?  A million and change.  If we were in real need, the draft could be reinstated! Given some time for training how many could be sent into action in Iran?.  Iran and a couple of other loud mouth countires could  be looking at some serious problems if we decided it was worth it!

Now let me just add I am not big on starting a draft. I am also not big on War.  I have done my time and belong to the VFW and DAV. What I am big on is America! Hey if this country needed, my worn out old butt and all my sons also, would show up for the cause! I bet we wouldn't be alone either!

Which is more than I can say for most of the clowns in that part of the world. From what I have seen so far.  They only fight when they out number everyone and they have a bad habit of surendering.  They got no honor! 50 of them wouldn't make one good American Boy!

Sorry but I tend to get wound up tighter than a three dollar watch over things like this.  :evil:

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« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2006, 03:35:31 AM »
The biggest problem with fighting crazy muslims is that they don't know when they're beat.  Too many are willing to carry out suicide attacks and we just aren't ruthless enough to deal with them.

The time is long past that we should have demonstrated to the world that we don't play silly games.  We should have flattened North Korea and if that wasn't enough, North Vietnam should have met the same end.  Every once in a while there might have to be a reminder, but for the mostpart the world would probably be a lot less contrary.
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« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2006, 05:33:33 AM »
Nuke the till they glow, then shot them in the dark, and it's probably the only thing that would work.

I think the US had the POWER and ABILITY, even without nukes, to destroy any other country (with the possible exception of China) in short order.  I DO NOT think the US as a whole has the intestional fortitude necessary for the endevor. :roll: It seems that every time the vocal minority will convince the weak willed to roll over and take it up the  :eek:  while the rest of us stand back scratching our head trying to figure out he they can believe their own dribble.

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« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2006, 10:20:33 AM »
Another take would be America has compassion and concern, and doesn't want to punish the innocent along with the guilty.  

I think the basic premise is correct: to win in a situation like this we would have to destroy the region, or destroy things to the degree where the locals lost heart.  If the agressors have no reguard for their own lives therre is little left to bargain with.  To win the American Civil War a policy of scorched earth was what put it over the edge.  This mess in the middle east will take far more I am afraid.

And I am more comfortable with an America that can't stomach mass destruction of life.  What an irony that would be: to use weapons of mass destruction in a war that was started to prevent their use.
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« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2006, 02:57:03 AM »
Hey - let them do what they want in terms of bringing nuclear energy to their people - same for the N. Koreans, but let's monitor the hay outta them.  Then, when they make their first nuclear launch, whether it be for testing or attack against Isreal, we nuke them back to being nomadic sheepherders.  If the N. Koreans try it against the South or against Japan, we can nuke them back to being cave dwellers.  And who cares what they say then.  End of story.  JMHO.  Mikey.

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« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2006, 08:07:32 AM »
Quote from: Haywire Haywood
The problem with our war strategies as I see it is that we thump someone then say, "See, that didn't hurt so bad.  Here.... lemme completely rebuild your infrastructure for you better than you ever thought it could have been."

The idea of whacking a country good then rebuilding everything we blew up is crazy.  That just shows them that if they act badly enough that we'll come in and try to make their country a better place.  We need to leave a good smoking hole to remind them of what happens when they do the wrong thing.  No invading, no gov't overthrow, no whacking their bottoms and then trying to be friends.... just whack'em good and send them to their rooms to let'em think a bit about what they did wrong.

Of course, this is just one of the many reasons that I'm not in office... LOL

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Only in America!

We are stupid to even think about doing this.  

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« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2006, 08:59:28 AM »
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At a Friday prayer sermon in Tehran, senior cleric Ayatollah Ahmad Janati simply branded the US as a "decaying power" lacking the "stamina" to block Iran's ambitions.


Hey, the Ayatollah seems like a pretty sharp guy. He certainly has that one nailed down.

Iran has an air force. It's the old Iraqi Air Force, remember? :) But even if those old MiG-29s are in need of repair, that's okay, because Chavez says he will sell Iran some of his American-made F-16s.

I guess we don't have to police the world, but who are we going to trade with when we're surrounded by military dictatorships and communists who would buy a bomb from us, then proceed to drop it on us?

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« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2006, 01:22:06 PM »
Oh yea,lets go over there and whoop some ass,spend billions on war,spend trillions on rebuilding the whole darn place,give them technology,then set up trades with about 10 cent (thiers) to our dollar and continue to pay 3-4 $ per gallon gas here.Hell no STAY HERE!!!!Keep our kids safe and protect our borders from immigrants.If they get bad over there just nuke em all,put up a Mcdonalds and Americian flag and sell us gas for 10 cents a gallon.Our Goverment is clustered yall.
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« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2006, 03:33:33 PM »
I see where my statement above could be misinterpreted.  To clarify, I do not think that wholsale slaughter would be good for the soul of the US.  I do think that conventional means of warfare will not work on any Arab or most Muslim country.  So what do we do when we are threatened or attacked by them?  How should the US respond to blatant provocation or open threats?   The only way I can think of to intimidate somone who has no fear of death is to threaten their way of life and their existance as a people.  It's all about curency.  You find out what is important to them and either threaten it or bribe them with it.  Ever seen the movie Swordfish? As far as rational diplimacy goes, keep in mind that this is a religion that mandates that emotion is the guiding hand of God, and takes precedence over reason.  That is why they are constantly at war, with whomever is at hand,  and will remain at war, until they win or forced to face utter defeat.

If you have an idea on how to intimidate or negotiate with someone that not only has no fear of, but actively persues a death at the hands of his enemys, let's hear it. You will probably be awarded a Nobel Peace Prize.
That is not rhetorical,  if anyone has another idea on how to win, state it.
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