Author Topic: Hornady SST vs XTP (Read 1332 times)

elkstalkr · « **on:** June 03, 2006, 02:13:14 AM »

Well I posted about my wife's Rossi and shooting the 200 grain SST's weren't so successful.

What I wanted to know is thier any chance that 200 grain XTP will shoot more accurate out of the rifle? Or will it virtually be the same results out of the same gun? I mean the only difference between the two is the tip. Correct?

sabotloader · « **Reply #1 on:** June 03, 2006, 02:06:37 PM »

elkstalkr

Rossi results...

I will let you know that I shoot the 10mm 200 grain XTP's from an Omega and a White - they really shoot great... I have not shot the SST/Shockwave - to expensive for me. I am shooting these out of a 50 cal. though

Tell me more about your Rossi - I think I remember it being a 45 cal? What is the rifling twist?

I will also spout off right now with no real evidence, only what I have read - there are 45's out there that do not shoot anything real well. In fact if I remember right TC exchanged a lot of their first run 45's because the twist rate wasn't compatible for the available bullet sabot combination.

Maybe check on the TC website and/or Kinght and see what twist rate they use today for their current 45's

Just checked Green Mountain Barrel Co. their twist rate is 1/28....

oneshotonekill · « **Reply #2 on:** June 03, 2006, 03:06:58 PM »

Quote from: sabotloader

elkstalkr

I will also spout off right now with no real evidence, only what I have read - there are 45's out there that do not shoot anything real well. In fact if I remember right TC exchanged a lot of their first run 45's because the twist rate wasn't compatible for the available bullet sabot combination.

Maybe check on the TC website and/or Kinght and see what twist rate they use today for their current 45's

Just checked Green Mountain Barrel Co. their twist rate is 1/28....

The original T/C 45's were a 1:20 twist the newer ones and the replacements for the ones returned are a 1:28 twist.

SURVEYOR · « **Reply #3 on:** June 04, 2006, 04:58:17 AM »

I hate to say this, but you ain't never going to get Rossi MODEL S45YBM - .45 CAL BLUE YOUTH MUZZLELOADER shooting anything worth a darn. First off the 1:20 twist is suited for heavy bullets in the 350 to 460 grain weight. Now just by chance a 350 grain conical will fit that bore, 60 to 70 grains of powder will push that bullet with planty of energy to make clean kills out to 125 yards dead on. The second problem is the 20 inch barrel. Very short meaning low volumes of powder used to get a complete burn. Third is it's a cheap import break action rifle. You'd been better off to get a H&R 50 cal Side Kick for about the same price or less made in the good ole USofA. Sorry!

Model: S45YBM
Caliber/Gauge:    .45 CAL    Length of Pull:       Wood Finish:    WALNUT FINISH
Capacity:    SINGLE SHOT    Barrel Length:    20"    Stock Config:    YOUTH SIZE STANDARD
Action:    BREAK OPEN    Overall Length:    34"     x    RECOIL PAD
Choke:    N/A    Weight:    5 LBS.    Soft Case Inc:    No
Chamber:    N/A    Finish:    BLUE    UPC:    6-62205-21310-6
Rate of Twist:    1:20"    Drilled & Tapped:    YES    Status:    AVAILABLE NOW
Drop at Heel:       Front Sight:    ADJ FIBER OPTIC    Manual:    Click Here
Drop at Pull:       Rear Sight:    ADJ FIBER OPTIC    MSRP:    $195.

elkstalkr · « **Reply #4 on:** June 04, 2006, 05:02:39 PM »

Surveyor,

ACTUALLY I had rounds touching at 50 yards with 175 grain powerboobs, BUT thier performance on deer was less than stellar.

Thus, I am trying to find a better hunting load.

doegirl · « **Reply #5 on:** June 04, 2006, 06:25:36 PM »

ElkStalker: Would you be willing to try a heavier powerbelt, like the 225's for the Rossi? May hold up better than the lighter powerbelts. Just a thought.

SURVEYOR · « **Reply #6 on:** June 04, 2006, 07:31:40 PM »

I'm just calling it as it is. The 1:20 twist is better suited for heavier bullets. Now that dosen't mean you have to load the powder up to push a heavy bullet. And it dosen't mean a heavier bullet is going to beat the shooter up. But finding a heavy sabot bullet is going to be hard to find. But a full size pure lead conical pushed with 50 to 60 grains of pellets could do just what you want. Now No Excuses make just the bullet you're looking for.

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45 Caliber, 385 grain (45/385): Originally designed as a lightweight varmint/target bullet, when charged at 50-60% normal hunting load. When charged at that 50-60% they make an excellent target or youth load. This combination closely replicates a fully charged load behind a 460 grain "NO EXCUSES" bullet. I have several customers that swear by these bullets for mule deer and elk with full loads but some guns have a tendency to key-hole these bullets with a full charge. It can also be used as a sabot in 50 and 54 caliber firearms.

http://members.aol.com/noexcusesb/page3.html

What Ya got to lose. Simple, yet deadly.

I'm out of here!

See Ya!

skamaniac · « **Reply #7 on:** June 05, 2006, 01:23:33 AM »

I couldn't find the manual for the .45 cal but did find it for the .50 cal and they limit you to shooting nothing heavier than a 300 gr bullet. Too bad.

http://rossiusaphotos.com/rossi/manuals/muzzleloader.pdf

elkstalkr · « **Reply #8 on:** June 05, 2006, 03:17:58 AM »

Doe,

We originally started off with 225 grain, but that gun is so light and little it even kicked the snot out of me. My wife REALLY hated it.

As for solid conicals, I believe not only would they kick too much. But as stated, I don't believe you can shoot the heavier ones out of it anyway.

That being said. I need to look at the manual and see how big I can go. If I reduce my load to 60 grains as Surveyor mentioned. Might work out just fine. Worth a try.