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Offline Glanceblamm

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« on: June 03, 2006, 06:05:11 PM »
We have a water plant in a remote area with a high fence and plenty of grass within that attracts geese for their nesting season. They raise the young and then the whole flock usually leaves by mid July.

The nesting season was a bust this year as the operator told me that Coyotes got in and raided all the nest and got all the eggs.
Raccoons, I tell him. He can verify though through tracks & scat and dug at areas under the fence.

This area has a patch of woods behind it that is connected to two drainages that are dotted with groves and are at slightly less than right angles which makes it easy to keep the wind in one's favor and also places one's back toward the plant.

I took Seven yotes out of this patch alone working both sides last Nov-Dec. We did warm up quite abit in Jan and had a bunch of mud which pretty much  shut me down at that location or I probably would have done much better. At any rate, It Appears That I Didn't Do Well Enough.

I have mixed feelings about this. The Canada Geese have expanded to the extend of "nesting" on golf courses and it had been just a very few years that they started nesting at the water plant.
Seems to be alot more of them in new locations.

Question is: Were this you, would you head out and whack a few of them and let them lay. Or (in my practice) leave them alone for the winter fur that can be harvested?

I half suspect that I might be dealing with an elderly breeding pair that really need some easy hunting but I do acknowledge that the yote is an opportunist pure & simple.
If this line of thought is true, will they teach the pup's to get the easy pickings from chickens to house pets in or at the edge of town?
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« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2006, 03:17:35 AM »
I think the pups get most of their foraging knowledge from their parent(s).  That said, they are also opportunistic and adaptive.  If the geese don't come back, the coyotes aren't gonna starve to death while hanging around waiting for them.  
The geese nest there because they're not stupid either.  It was a safe haven to raise their young.  
I'd fix the fence and wait 'til the coyotes are prime.

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« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2006, 06:24:15 AM »
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The worlds oldest guessing game, I'am sure that beemanbemme dose have it right. The mother coyote teaches the pups the basics of survival, but belive me they learn darned fast if some thing happens to mama. If this happened while the pups were in the den chances are it was a male coyote that did the deed. If it was possable to mend the fence without too much trouble that would be the way to go, although the coyote is not above digging under a fence. On the ranch we would dig a trench and put the wolf proof fence about 8 to 10" below the surface to keep them out of our chickens and baby pigs. I can't help thinking that the Coyotes might have had some help from old mr. Coon or a stinking Grinner, " Possum "
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« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2006, 05:18:33 PM »
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If the geese don't come back, the coyotes aren't gonna starve to death while hanging around waiting for them.
The geese nest there because they're not stupid either. It was a safe haven to raise their young.
I'd fix the fence and wait 'til the coyotes are prime.

beemanbeme
Very Well said!
Especially since I never was one to "shoot & let lay" unless crop or livestock damage is happening.

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On the ranch we would dig a trench and put the wolf proof fence about 8 to 10" below the surface to keep them out of our chickens and baby pigs.

oso45-70
The plant operator will be greatly interested in hearing this since he is an avid goose hunter but also a great conservationist.
Like you, I still cant help but thing that Mr Racoon, skunk, or one of dem opossums didn't help out some.

Thanks to both of you. :D

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« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2006, 08:17:10 PM »
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Don't forget the house cats and crows. I read a report some where that the house cat was the most destructive animal on game birds and small animals like rabbits. If this happened here in :D  New Mexico i would say it was probably the road runner" New Mexicos State bird " Beep Beep. They are hard on game birds. :D ...............Joe................
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« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2006, 01:50:29 PM »
You should read the new fur fish and game magazine. They have a good write up about spring and summer coyote hunting.