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Question on .500 jeffery
« on: July 16, 2006, 09:49:22 PM »
I seen this cartridge used on different hunting shows like Jim Shockey his P.H. has one,and a couple other shows.Gary reeder did one in a custom NO.1.I was wondering what more common cartridge it is comparable to power wise,and what other case is it comparable to size wise.My Shooters Bible does not list it.How common is this round.Thanks,Dave.
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Re: Question on .500 jeffery
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2006, 11:50:15 AM »
I have a 500 Jeffery.  It isn't real common.  There has been a surge in popularity over the past 3-4 years though.  Not many gun makers can get it to feed and function properly, the rebated rim doesn't help matters.  However, if you find an original Jeffery or Schuler, or one from a custom maker (mine is from Duane Wiebe) it should be fine.  Very expensive brass.  I paid $88/20 last I bought.  It's a low pressure round and generates some impressive numbers.  Recoil can be fierce, weight in the rifle helps.  Probably not particularly suited for anything but the largest and nastiest of the African game.

The cartridge is roughly comparable with the 505 Gibbs, 500 A-Square and 500 AHR.  Nominal bullet diameter is .510"  Loads are 535 grain soft point at 2,350 (can go higher to nearly 2500, but is probably more than adequate around 2150).  600 grain solids can be pushed to 2200, but would not recommend that, unless the rifle is heavy.

It is a very specialized round, good as a Stopping rifle for Elephant and Buffalo.

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Re: Question on .500 jeffery
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2006, 04:29:49 AM »
Two of the PH's I've worked with in the past have these rifles. I've used them quite often on hunts prior to having my own DG rifle built. While planning for my own rifle I used quite a lot of different cartridges and rifle makes to learn about them which helped in my decision.

With this I came to a few conclusions, that are clearly my own opinion based only on my experience, for what thats worth.

You know there are certain groups of cartridges that we can make generalizations about. Like the 7mm, 280, 270, and maybe even add the 264 and the various 25 caliber cartridges made. They are all so similiar in performance that for a deer species would there be a whole lot of difference between any of them under 200 yards?  Really thinking about it would there be much difference if you added in the 300 savage, 30/06 and 308?

I kinda felt the same way with the DG rifles I was using. Once you get above 416 most of them shooting a premium bullet of 450-550 grains over 2200 fps ended up providing the same results. When a 500 grain bullet can be driven fast enough to penetrate anything it hits 4-8 feet deep I'm not wishing for more then that.

The 500 jeffery is a great rifle, a little heavy and very expensive to shoot enough for lots of practice. The bullet diameter is not an off the shelf projectile, and the Brass is difficult to get too. I don't feel I can become "expert" with a cartridge I struggle to find componenets for. Especially when It has not shown me yet any exceptional stopping power advantage over a .458 diameter bullet of 450-500 grains.

Since shot placement is the single most important issue, the practice I get with a 458 due to easy brass and bullets gives the edge to the 458 diameter in my opinion.

I chose to have a 458Lott built. It's about 1.5 pounds lighter then either of the Jefferies I have used. The brass is as inexpensive as any brass around( 375HH brass works fine)

I can shoot any 458 diameter bullet, and I can shoot 458 Win mag factory loads. Best of all it will shoot a 500 grain bullet at 2300fps, and a 450 grain BarnesX bullet even faster!  That bullet has an absolutely stunning effect with head shots on everything I have hit with it. I've only recovered a few, the rest have exited even when shooting end to end on Buffalo. Not sure how the Jeffery will surpass and end to end with an exit leaving a 1" hole on the way out?

Probably the single biggest factor in my decision was the amount of other PH's also choosing this cartridge or having their existing 458 win mags rechambered to this round. It's an extremely popular cartridge in Southen Africa for PH's now with a growing interest.

Nothing wrong with the function or killing power of the Jeffery, just not a practical choice for frequent shooting and long days carrying it in the bush. My 458 Lott is 9.3 pounds loaded and ready to go. The Jefferies are all in the 11pound range. You may say that's only a pound to a pound and a half......so what!  Well looking another way, it's over 10% more weight. Your arms get really heavy after 6 hours of packing that thing, add a scope and it's more weight, and uncomfortable to carry over the shoulder, and worse yet with a sling!

I'm not sure I would want to shoot a full power Jeffery under 10.5 pounds either!
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Re: Question on .500 jeffery
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2006, 10:57:38 AM »
The Jefferies are all in the 11pound range. You may say that's only a pound to a pound and a half......so what!  Well looking another way, it's over 10% more weight. Your arms get really heavy after 6 hours of packing that thing, add a scope and it's more weight, and uncomfortable to carry over the shoulder, and worse yet with a sling!

I'm not sure I would want to shoot a full power Jeffery under 10.5 pounds either!
Everything JJ posted I agree with all the way around, especially the experience of the 500 Jeff.  My rifle is just a touch over 10lbs and can be "interesting" to shoot if much time goes by since the last range session with it, especially full-house loads.

However, I really like mine and though it should belong to a PH backing up elephant hunters, I'll keep it and as the buff and elephant opportunities occur, I hope to take advantage of that.