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What Was It?
« on: September 09, 2008, 08:48:58 AM »
I'n the mid-80s, I was on a bear hunting trip with Foggy Mountain Guide Services in Dover Foxcroft, Maine. On the last day of the hunt at around 3:00PM, perhaps a dozen animals/beings started laughing about 50 feet into the woods around my stand. I never saw anything. They seemed equally spaced around me. Whatever it was sounded exactly like humans laughing. I assumed it was wolves or coyotes.  I was miles from civilization.

In the areas where I currently hunt, we hear and/or see coyotes almost every time we hunt.  I've never heard them make any noises that sounded like what I heard in Maine.
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Re: What Was It?
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2008, 10:07:04 AM »
Did it get quiet when you started shootin'?
 
    Was it soft, or loud ?  I know of no animals that makes laughing sounds, other than Hyenas, so I'm guessing it was birds.
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Re: What Was It?
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2008, 10:59:33 AM »
I would say it was about normal volume for laughter.  I've never heard anything like it in the woods, before or since.
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Re: What Was It?
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2008, 03:38:57 PM »
I doubt Loons would be in the brush, as they only set foot on dry ground to nest.  But, give a listen to this.

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3G9b6j3nCA 
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Re: What Was It?
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2008, 03:53:02 PM »
Loon.  Not you, Swampman, but the northern waterfowl.  They have a really spooky sounding call that could be described as laughter.

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Re: What Was It?
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2008, 02:14:02 AM »
It was a Stobor, also known as a dopey joe. I cant remember the name of the book but it was by Robert Heinlein. A Stobor if the most vile, most nasty , most horrible creature the human imagination can come up with as an answer for "what is it" . When you think its 10 foot tall with fangs dripping blood and claws 6 inches long, its prolly just a 8 ounce screech owl that happened to be in the bush you just stumbled over in the dark.

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Re: What Was It?
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2008, 11:53:50 PM »
The book was "Tunnel In the Sky". Yes, beware of Stobor. And how many of us that read that book noted that "stobor" is 'robots' spelled backwards?
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Re: What Was It?
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2008, 01:46:32 AM »
It wasn't an owl or a loon.  That's for sure.
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Re: What Was It?
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2008, 04:55:25 AM »
Sometimes if you are out and feel apprehensive or hear a noise it is just me lurking around although I am not known to laugh or chuckle ;D ;D ;D

Once a good friend who was 15 at the time happened upon a group of those hooded black robed figures with candles and all in a woods clearing when he was returning from a small game hunt
And got caught out in the dusk. He was not detected & quietly back tracked and went around this group of 30 or so people. Thinking back on it, he said that had he been older, he may have shot out
A few kneecaps!

I know that you said that the laughter seemed to be evenly spaced around you but perhaps this was such a group as the above who were in route to such an area and you heard some echoing as they passed?
Perhaps they knew that you were there and had stalked you with the intent of "spooking" you out of that area in particular?


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Re: What Was It?
« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2008, 10:48:08 AM »
Its the little people of the woods.............. :o  There's old stories about this stuff.

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Re: What Was It?
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2009, 08:19:44 PM »
why don't you tell it to us 1911? Were all ears.
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Re: What Was It?
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2009, 01:02:45 AM »
Sometimes coyotes will make a sort of laughing sound, usually it's a group thing. Most often though the laughing sound gives way to howling so that you know it was coyotes.

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Re: What Was It?
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2009, 06:44:19 AM »
Lots of good guess here about what made the laughing sounds, but there is only one true answer. It was a Hodag: ;D

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Re: What Was It?
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2009, 03:00:05 PM »
Yo know Skunk, you could be right.  ;D Regards
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Re: What Was It?
« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2009, 05:48:22 AM »
Yo know Skunk, you could be right.  ;D Regards

Pastorp,

Around these parts, we blame anything we can't explain on the Hodag. ;D
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Re: What Was It?
« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2009, 03:54:27 PM »
Swamp,

What was laughing, I don't know.  Why whatever it was was laughing probably had to do with that pink camo that you had on.  Just joking. ;D
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Re: What Was It?
« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2009, 04:16:22 PM »
Skunk, where I grew up it was the"Catewampus" I never could get a picture of him though. Regards
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Re: What Was It?
« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2009, 05:19:00 PM »
Skunk, where I grew up it was the"Catewampus" I never could get a picture of him though. Regards

Yep. Catewampus or Wampas Cat.
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Re: What Was It?
« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2009, 06:42:41 PM »
Skunk, where I grew up it was the"Catewampus" I never could get a picture of him though. Regards

Yep. Catewampus or Wampas Cat.

Thanks for mentioning that Pastorp and Jim. I've heard other folks say the same thing and often wondered if the Hodag and the Catewampus were indeed one in the same. I was hoping they were a direct match, but darn it, after doing a little searching for the Catewampus and the Wampus Cat, I found that are actually quite different from the Hodag.

The following text in blue pretty much reviews and repeats most of what I could find on the Catewampus/Wampas Cat:

http://www.hauntmastersclub.com/information_other.html

Wampas Cat: The Wampas Cat is a bright-eyed, unusually large cat that walks on its hind legs and has been reported all over northeast Tennessee and southwest Virginia.

The book Demon in the Woods: Tall Tales and True from East Tennessee (1992) by Charles Edwin Price recounts the legend of the Native North American Cherokee Indian monster, the Wampas Cat (sometimes spelled wampus). Price believes the Cherokee once called the creature Ewah, meaning, “ugly demon.” It apparently had the ability to drive people insane. When her husband became a victim, Running Deer put on a mountain lion’s skin and went into the woods where her appearance scared the dreaded creature away. It is believed that she still roams the woods fending the monster away.

In another story told in Spooky South: Tales of Hauntings, Strange Happenings, and Other Local Lore (2004) by S. E. Schlosser and Paul G. Hoffma, this cat-like creature was said to have been the result of Cherokee “medicine.” A woman who did not trust her husband followed him to a council meeting in the disguise of a mountain lion. When she was discovered, the two authors say, the council transfigured her into the Wampas Cat.

On a forum on the Internet site WordWizard, one user, Leif, explains that this creatures name could have originated from the Native North American Cherokee Indian word, catawampus, another name for the catamount, or mountain lion.


On the other hand, the Hodag originated much differently and its description consists of many beasts, however the cat is never mentioned. Following are a few excerpts from an article written by Kurt D. Kortenhof, entitled, The Living Legend of Rhinelander’s Hodag:

http://www.rhinelanderchamber.com/history2.htm

The Hodag first made its appearance in the autumn of 1893 near the lumbering frontier community of Rhinelander, Wisconsin. Eugene Simeon Shepard (1854-1923), timber cruiser, real-estate broker, and community jester stumbled across the beast while hiking near his Rhinelander home. Although a seasoned woodsmen, Shepard had never before encountered a Hodag, the beast so often spoke of in the lumber-camp bunkhouses. The sighting, however, was unmistakable.

Shepard stood face to face with a 185 pound, seven-foot-long, lizard-like beast. Its head was disproportionately large for its body with two horns growing from its temples, large fangs and green eyes. Covered with short black hair, the body appeared stout and muscular; its back was covered with spikes which led to a powerful tail. The four legs were short and sturdy with three claws facing forward and one pointing in the opposite direction. As the beast turned to greet his uninvited guest, its nostrils spouted flame and smoke, and a horrible odor, which Shepard described as a "combination of buzzard meat and skunk perfume," filled the air.

Gathering brave townsmen and willing lumberjacks, Shepard assembled a hunting party to capture the strange beast. Armed with "heavy rifles and large bore squirt guns loaded with poison water," the hunting party set out to confront the monstrosity. Discovering the Hodag near where Shepard had first sighted it, the hunting party dispatched a number of dogs to corner the beast. This proved unsuccessful as the Hodag "scattered about the place" small fragments of the hunting dogs. Like the dogs, the hunting party’s weaponry proved of little value in subduing the now irate Hodag. Luckily, the hunters had brought along a large supply of dynamite. After piling birch bark around the cornered beast, the lumberjacks lobbed sticks of dynamite at their prey. The explosions ignited a fire that engulfed the monster and eventually took the Hodag’s life. Although the charred remains of this first Hodag were transported to Rhinelander and displayed, Shepard’s hunters were unable to capture the beast alive.


Eventually they do capture a live Hodag which gets displayed at the entrance gate of the County Fair and becomes the Fair's main attraction. Of course the Hodag was a hoax thought up by Shepard. :D But at the time, the Rhinelander community needed something more than timber production to survive. The Hodag was very successful in helping the tourist industry boom in and around the area:

Eventually the Hodag was discovered to be an elaborate hoax, its body, a carved stump covered with an ox hide; its horns and spikes derived from oxen and cattle; its movement controlled by wires; and its growl supplied by Shepard’s sons hidden in the monster’s lair. This discovery, however, took nothing away from the Hodag's popularity. People from across the state and region continued to travel up the Wisconsin to Rhinelander to view Shepard’s concoction. Although the original creature was destroyed by a fire near the turn of the century, the Hodag continued to gain popularity. By the 1920s, an extremely popular postcard portraying the Hodag’s capture circulated throughout the region. Soon Rhinelander became known as the Hodag city, and its inhabitants proudly touted its unique identity and the piece of local color on which it was based.

To the casual observer, Shepard’s Hodag ploy was a practical joke pulled by Rhinelander’s most celebrated prankster. A more in-depth investigation of the circumstances surrounding the Hodag’s creation, however, reveals a far more serious side of the beast. In addition to comprising a known jokester’s most successful ploy, Rhinelander’s Hodag was, and continues to be, a very serious, preconceived promotional project. To be sure, the Hodag played an important role in making Rhinelander what it is today--the regional industrial center of Northern Wisconsin with an odd twist of local color.


Please click on the link above if you wish to read the complete story of the Hodag. With such vast differences and origins between the Wampus Cat and the Hodag, I'm wondering how they ever got equated as the same creature. I have to say I'm a little disappointed; I wanted them to be one in the same. Do you guys happen to know the history of how the names Wampus Cat and Hodag ended up describing the same creature down South? Maybe there is a Northern Hodag and a Southern Hodag? One thing for sure, folklore is a lot of fun.
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Re: What Was It?
« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2009, 07:03:08 AM »
Skunk, thanks for that post. Very informative. As far as the two being related, I have to admit I had never heard of a Hodag until this post. I have heard of the Catewampus all my life, starting with my grandparents when I was little. My grandmother kinda used it like the Boggieman. You know, "Stay out of the woods after dark or the Catewampus will getcha." If a dog started acting up after dark or a noise was heard outside (which was probably a raccoon or possum anyway), it was a catewampus. My grandfather spent alot of time outdoors looking for ginseng and hunting and had a lifetime of stories to tell. He had seen "panthers" in the mountains (which aren't there at all according to TWRA) and would tell of hearing the dreaded Catewampus and other critters. I dearly miss sitting on his knee on listening to his stories.
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Re: What Was It?
« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2009, 08:06:32 AM »
Jim, after reading your last reply, I suddenly realized that I had misinterpreted yours and Pastor Parker's last posts. :-[ Get the club out because I'm needing a good hit in the old melon. :D I'm seeing that you guys weren't actually comparing the Catewampus to the Hodag, but rather saying that in your neck of the woods it's the Catewampus that gets blamed for all things unknown. I know why I wanted to see it my way though. It's because awhile back on another forum, I posted the same picture of the Hodag and a fellow from down South replied, "down here we call those a Catewampus" or something to that effect. Guess I figured I was hearing it again. In the end it doesn't really matter though. I had a great time reading about your Catewampus. There were even some videos on YouTube claiming to be the only known videos of a real Catewampus. Plus, it gave me an opportunity to tell you guys a little history about my neck of the woods. Good stuff indeed.

I think the Catewampus has it over a little on the Hodag because he's a legend that might not be real, yet no one has proven him not to exist; the Hodag was openly acknowledged to be a mere hoax. But we do have a legend in Wisconsin that we share with the folks in Michigan. He is known as The Dogman:



Monster Quest did a show on the Wisconsin Dogman and if you get a chance, check it out just for the fun of it. Thank you Jim for the excellent description of how the Catewampus was presented to you when you were a youngster. I can just see how the folks could keep a kid in the house after hours with the fear of the Catewampus lurking around outside just waiting for his chance to get you. ;)
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Re: What Was It?
« Reply #21 on: March 19, 2009, 08:00:41 PM »
Skunk, are you talking about the Bray Road creature? I've read several accounts of sightings there. Not someplace I would want to go unarmed! Also, here is a story I read a while back. It's across the state from me, but very close to Fort Campbell, Ky. I heard the stories when I was stationed there in the Army back in the early 80's. I'm going to try to post a link.

www.guardiantales.freewebspace.com/JAN-Beast.html

I don't have any idea if they are true or not, but they are interesting.
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Re: What Was It?
« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2009, 04:52:59 PM »
Jim, yes the Dog man is also known as the Bray Road Creature. Thanks for the good reading on the link. I'll be watching for The Beast of LBL in the event he decides to move North. ;)
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« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2009, 05:13:14 PM »
Just remember... SILVER BULLETS! Lots and lots of them. Who knows? Bray Road and LBL may be distant cousins or something. ;D
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Re: What Was It?
« Reply #24 on: April 03, 2009, 07:23:42 AM »
I'n the mid-80s, I was on a bear hunting trip with Foggy Mountain Guide Services in Dover Foxcroft, Maine. On the last day of the hunt at around 3:00PM, perhaps a dozen animals/beings started laughing about 50 feet into the woods around my stand. I never saw anything. They seemed equally spaced around me. Whatever it was sounded exactly like humans laughing. I assumed it was wolves or coyotes.  I was miles from civilization.

In the areas where I currently hunt, we hear and/or see coyotes almost every time we hunt.  I've never heard them make any noises that sounded like what I heard in Maine.

Here's one that you might take a listen to.

http://www.pileatedwoodpeckercentral.com/audio.htm

Click on the sound Byte link: Pileated Familiar Call
(It may take a few moments if you have a slow dialup like me.)

We have those guys out here in the woods. Kinda reminds me of the jungle sounds in the old Tarzan movies.

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Re: What Was It?
« Reply #25 on: April 03, 2009, 11:41:07 AM »
I hear them every time I go hunting.  The swamps are full of those big woodpeckers.  These creatures sounded exactly like humans.
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Re: What Was It?
« Reply #26 on: April 04, 2009, 03:42:33 PM »
A clan of Bigfoot...They were trying to shake you up to get you to leave.....check out the "Sierra sounds" dvds......

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Re: What Was It?
« Reply #27 on: June 28, 2009, 08:37:16 PM »
Its the little people of the woods.............. :o  There's old stories about this stuff.

Ever hear the story about the stickmen?

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