375 x 444 vs 375 JDJ

[ghof]

As I am now aware that a certain persons name may not be used on this site I will try again.When the chamber was reamed the shoulder was moved forward about .121 thus lengthening the case body (after fireforming) but shortening the neck in the process to about .277 down from .375 length of a standard 375JDJ. This shortened neck increases the case capacity by about 16 grains of water, not powder! The case was originally designed to headspace on the rim but since it is now a bottle neck case it must headspace on the shoulder. Correct? This leaves a small question. A standard 375 JDJ is trimmed to 2.248. If I trim my cases to this length the neck becomes even shorter by .022 to a length of  .255 which I believe is way too short for anything but a target gun.I cast my chamber and found that the actual maximum length of the neck in the chamber is.375 long from the shoulder as if he had cut a perfect 375JDJ. The question is should I trim to 2.248 or keep the neck as long as possible up to .375? I do not think the cases will ever get that long before they are trash anyway. This is a little confusing and I apologize for that  BTW it took 7 months to get the barrel back!
Mike

[MePlat]

I have a 375-06 JDJ and depending on the brass it is formed from and after trimming the necks can be as short as .175".  I have never had a problem with them and you won't either on your 375/444 Mike's special.  Unless you strap them on your boots and use them for climbing spikes. 
Most problems are made that way in the persons mind not in actual use.  Go ahead and form some cases and spend the time your lamenting over the short necks in shooting your gun.  You will be far better off.
How did you like the seven months wait.  I waited for one of his barrels for nine months
.  Never again.
Also no matter how far you push the shoulder back the rim will stop it in the chamber.  the cases won't last long though.  just watch the sizing die and just when it starts to kiss the shoulder stop right there and lock your die down and leave it and stop worrying.

[Grumulkin]

I'm a little confused by the post.  It mentions that a chamber cast gave dimensions "as if he had cut a perfect 375 JDJ" case.  If that is true, you can use 375 JDJ loading, trimming and sizing criteria.  If you only mean that the neck length of the case is the same, then you can let the neck get as long as the space for the neck in the chamber before trimming; actually you should trim just a little shorter so the case has room enough to expand.

As for now having to headspace on the shoulder rather than the rim; that isn't entirely true.  You could still choose to rely on the rim for head spacing but you will get better case life (as in all bottlenecked cases) and probably better accuracy by sizing the case to headspace on the shoulder.

[ghof]

Thank you gentlemen no further answers are needed. However I am not lamenting merely trying to confirm what I should already know. I agree that the confusing part was not written properly. It should have been in reference to the case neck area only. That being a perfect 375 JDJ neck .
Mike

[Lugnutz]

Hi I'm new here and hope to soon learn more about who not to mention.  I'm assuming the name in mention is Bellm??

[Lugnutz]

Wow guess I was lucky on that guess.  I was really hoping it wasnt  Mike Sirios over at OTT.  Really nice guy to deal with.

But it kinda takes away some of our freedoms if certain names are going to be omitted from our post.  No one is perfect, and I'm not a fan of Bellm's but he has done some good things.  As well as most of the guys out there.  Even  the TC name is takin a blow as of late with factory problems.  David White has done some good and some bad.  Its just life whether it is acceptable or not.  JDJ has done much for our sport as well.  Then again there are many that say he just put his name on lots of the stuff to make a dime and that it existed long before the famous initials did.

The 375x444 should be identical to the JDJ.  Just depends on who and how it was chambered.  Same goes with the 30x444 vs 309 JDJ.  And a long line of other cartridges.  Its a name game, and not just JDJ's name.  356 Winchester could easily be called a rimmed 358  or a 35-08 or just about anything else you can conjure up.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Rick

[Keith L]

It is not a matter of freedom.  Greybeard chooses to censor his name.  He has his reasons.  He also chooses to let us hang out here.  Greybeard is under no obligation to do either.  The site belongs to him and he makes the rules. 

If you are concerned with your freedom then you are free to post elsewhere.  I choose to hang out here because of the generally well mannered people here as well as the wealth of information available.  People who respect the rules are welcome. 

[Lugnutz]

Sounds like I'm not welcome for speaking my mind  and my opinions.  And my freedom is one which I shall always be concerned with.  If you are not concerned with yours then that is your business.   I'm not looking to stir the pot.  It was just my opinion that it wasn't right to edit words due to one persons sour feelings.  I am in no way harping about which words are taken from the posts, as I clearly stated that I am no big fan of whats his head.   All forums have rules and most of them are common sense items such as profanity and pornography related.  And those rule are easy to respect.   This one is silly though.   
And Keith your correct this is Graybeards forum and he doesn't have to let us hang out here.  But the other forums I belong to do not have a forum God that we must bow down to and fear. 
I was really hoping I found another good forum where one could learn, swap stories and ideas, enjoy others lives vicariously while expressing their opinions without fear of other members becoming hostile or at least bitter.  Maybe I was wrong.

[Keith L]

If you can't live by the rules of this forum then I recommend you exercise your right to go away.  If you can get over yourself then hang around and you will find this is a great place to discuss many, many things.  Most of us don't think GB or his rules are silly.  If you do then you know the way out.

[Graybeard]

Lugnutz I think it's time for you to move on and find a place more suitable to your tastes. Do you wish to do it on your own or with my assistance?

[Lugnutz]

Well Bill all I'm sayin is if you have a tiff with ford or chevy, why do you edit me when I say it .  The biggest problem I have  is that when I speak my opinions I'm given 40 lashes for it .  Keith seems to be the only one responding to this.  I've kept track of the counter on views, it has gone from 200 to over 300 since my post, and no one else seems to have a problem with someone expressing their opinions other than Keith.  Not a warm welcome at all.   I've read many posts on here in my short stay and I see way too many people say  I don't mean to offend anyone..  Opinions are just that.  If I were to say I think Mike Belm is an angle of mercy to the gun world, then so be it.  Thats my opinion.  What if I said I think Ford makes a better product than Dodge? Would I be dealt with in the same crude fashion?   What if  I think Ackley is over rated? Or the 30-06 really is not that  great of a round.  Seems to me that if I dont roll with the majority then I am ousted.   

Don't lose any sleep Graybeard, I'm gonna move right along.  I have no use for abuse.  Wait if I don't move along are you gonna start editting my thoughts?    I thought Alabama was in the United States where freedom of thought and speech were allowed.  Guess not.  I have done nothing rude other than state my opinion that our freedoms have been jeopardized.  Honestly a forum should be for those opinions and to hear others thoughts.  I haven't heard any other thoughts on this other than Keiths.  Maybe the others fear the use of freedom here?    I would like to hear other thoughts before I am ousted...or excommunicated. This  reminds me of Hitlers attempt to make others conform to his perfect race tactics. 

But one last plea, let others comment on this before you give me the axe ( after all everyone gets a last request before they are killed in the movies )

[HHI-7420]

To everyone, I do not post much, but I have been reading this site for some years now(almost exclusively).  I would love to see this coffin(body) buried and forgotten about. LET IT TURN TO DUST AND BLOW AWAY! GB and myself are too old for this continuous crap. Please guys, life is too short for this(bickering back and forth).  Pat

[Lugnutz]

I agree with Pat. 

[HHI-7420]

Lugnuts, I tried to repost but it was too late. I read your last post in answer to GB(and you won't agree with me). You sounded like a spoiled kid. Now you've got me doing it. Damn!  Pat

[Lugnutz]

Pat I have no ill will or feelings for anyone here.  Just seems one can not post an OPINION without harsh responses. 

[HHI-7420]

Lugnuts, you just don't understand the situation. The guy in question was a real egotistical whatever. I almost left this site because of his crap, but I knew better. I have my own opinions about GB, both good and bad but I keep them to myself and continue on. Have I lost any freedoms? Naw! If you come into my house, you will act as I say. If I go into your house I will act as you say. It is just that simple. Be cool.  Pat

[Gregory]

But one last plea, let others comment on this before you give me the axe ( after all everyone gets a last request before they are killed in the movies )

I've held off posting on this topic because i was arouind during the day "the guy" was posting here.  I even met him in person at a gun show and fell for his hype, ordering his 30 whiz bang Illinois handgun cartrigde.  After waiting forever for him to chamber the Virgin Valley barrel, I was not impressed with it.  The guy who bought it from me posts on another forum and he loves it......so maybe he's a much better shot than me or maybe he's full of it too, who knows? 
The only  censorship you'll find here is anything that concerns "that guy".  And with good reason, enough time and energy has been wasted on discussing him.  I know, I've been here for quite a while.  If you can't live with that then go somewhere else.  Many forums allow personal attacks and degrade into peeing matches.  Not here.  And I'm grateful for it.  I come here to relax and enjoy trading information, not for BS. 
You wanted more opinions, well you got mine..... don't let the door hit you on the behind.