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Offline AlaskanAtHeart

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« on: June 26, 2006, 09:11:17 PM »
Hi all, first post, new to guns and shooting.

I'm trying to decide between two .22LRs and would like some advice.

In the future, we may become interested in shooting on a league (I'm not sure if that's competitive shooting or not), so we'd like to buy a gun with that in mind.

And, actually, I'm buying two guns, as I've discovered shooting .45 and 9mm ammo is quite expensive, so that's why I'm getting the .22s.

First gun is going to be the Ruger Mark III KMKIII 512.  Unfortunately, I cannot afford to buy two of them right now, so for the 2nd gun, I'm looking at either a Beretta U22 Neo or a S&W 22A.  (Hubby is getting the Ruger for his birthday present, the other will be mine, I've held all of them and am happy with how they hold)

Does anyone have any advice as to which would be the better gun with an eye for target shooting in the future?  At this particular point in time, I'd prefer it be able to shoot the el cheapo ammo, if at all possible, since that's the biggest reason I'm buyiong .22LRs right now.

Thanks for any advice  :-)

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« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2006, 05:35:22 AM »
If time is not all that important, look for a used Ruger MKII mk512. I shoot in an indoor league from November till march. That is what I use. You can spend much more and not get a better pistol. The secret to success is keeping it clean.  Mine shoot just about anything but shoots Remington Target ammo the best.

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« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2006, 10:33:23 AM »
ruger super single six .22lr and .22win mag

ruger semi auto .22lr

browning buckmark .22lr

tauras .22lr tracker
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« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2006, 11:05:28 AM »
Welcome to the forum.  I myself prefer the Ruger MkII over the MKIII. They came out a few years back with an NRA comemorative with white grips in a MKII that is reasonable and has that something extra. As a second choice I like the Browning Buckmark. Good balance, reliable and isn't to fussy about what you feed it. Like any semi auto, keep them clean and they will give you years of trouble free use. Good luck, Jim

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« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2006, 12:07:09 PM »
Hi,
I just have to tell you that I bought my wife a Beretta U22 Neos .22 for our anniversary last week.

She has become enamored with Speed Steel and Falling Steel (shooting steel plates) and wanted something she could use for these games.

This is her first semi-auto, and she loves it. She liked it right off from a picture online (thought it looked 'sleek and colorful'). When she picked one up at a local dealer's she just loved the feel of it; she has small hands and it just felt right for her.


After starting out with the open sights, we put a red-dot sight on it and shecompeted in her first falling steel match with the new set up. She didn't win, but had a load of fun, firing about 350 rounds through it that day. She used cheapo Remington bulk from Walmart, and when that ran out, some old Federal Lightning I had from a trade (they still had price stickers of .88 on each box!).

She did have a couple of failure to feed moments (but so did every other gun on the line even the high-end ones, using$4.00/box ammo!).

I believe they were related to one particular magazine, but in the heat of the moment we didn't think to isolate that magazine until near the end of the match. After that, and at the post match "let's try out each other's guns" period there were no more failures.

Anyway, she loves her Beretta, (she got the 6" inox barrel and silver grip version) and is hooked on shooting it whenever she can... in fact we just got a new red dot sight in the mail, and she's wanting to go sight it in this afternoon.

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« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2006, 05:29:22 PM »
Also take a look at the browning buck marks, usually less expensive than the mkii-iii's, but still a good shooting pistiol.
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« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2006, 10:52:21 PM »
Hi all,
Thanks for all the advice, unfortunately, GBO wouldn't come up for me yesterday, so I didn't see it until tonight, but I'm saving the page for future reference.

Longwalker, unfortunately, right now, time was important.  Long story, but hubby turned 40 a few weeks ago, and I didn't get him a present, just fixed a nice dinner because his sister and I have planned a surprise party for him next week, while she's here visiting.  Hubby is VERY hard to buy for, so until we started shooting the past few weeks, I was pretty well clueless what to get him that was FUN, instead of the usual clothes and books.  (Between college and work, he has about 10 free hours a week, and he usually spends those watching our kids play soccer, working in the yard, etc, doesn't have any hobbies, has every piece of sports memorabilia he could ever want for his favorite teams, LOL, you get the picture)

Anyway, we recently bought a rifle for hunting and a .45 for bear protection while hiking (the .45 is for me, he'll be carrying a .300 win mag) here in Alaska, and then my dad wanted to take my son to the range, so we bought a 9mm for him because we thought the .45 would be too much for him.  Both the pistols are Hi Points (yes, I know that debate, LOL, but I like them both, the .45 being my favorite because of the larger grip).  He's a soldier, so he shoots regularly at work, but I hadn't fired a gun in 14 years, and then it was one shot from a 12 ga. and one shot from a pistol, I have no idea what caliber, my dad was messing with me at dared me to fire it, most likely a .38special.

We went to a couple of ranges for me to learn how to shoot the guns, load them, etc, and we had a BLAST!  But, we went through a couple hundred bucks in ammo very quickly, so thus the thought of getting the .22s.  Figured we'd get them in a few months, then I talked to his sis, mentioned how much fun we'd had at the range, and she said, hey, get him one for his birthday!  So....

2 weeks ago, I had a chance to buy a Mark II for $200, the NRA edition, and I didn't do it, now, of course, I'm kicking myself, but, too late now, someone else bought it.

I ended up buying the Ruger KMKIII512, got it for $340 after some coupons I had for that store, it was originally $390.

Bought the Beretta Neos for $215.

I went to a few gun stores, most in the area stock next to nothing, and couldn't order in for it to arrive before the party.  One, though, i was very impressed with, they wanted $500 for the KMKIII512, they had a used Mark II in stainless for $350, I thought long and hard about it, because I know the mark II is a favorite for target shooting, but finally decided I'd rather have a new gun (the Mark III) for about the same price, that way I will always know it's history, that it's been kept clean, etc.  (I don't know enough about guns YET to be able to tell in a store whether they've been taken care of).  Anyway, the guy there tried to sell me the Browning Buckmark Camper model, told me it was miles ahead of the Beretta because of being metal, etc.  I'd read that the Buckmarks were4 good for target, but I didn't know whether the Camper was the right model, so I left that store, went and bought the Ruger, and then went to the sporting goods store that had the Beretta.

They'd told me the day before that one of their employees shot his Neos in a league, and as luck would have it, he was there when I went in yesterday, and he told me he would recommend the Neos over the Camper because it's sight-ready, spare magazine, and a couple of other reasons I forgot.  He didn't feel that they polymer frame really took anything away from it, he told me where I can get the trigger job done on it locally if I want, and told me anytime I have any questions or need help with it, to come in and talk to him.  He did tell me he found that the Neos performed better with high velocity ammo, and showed me which he uses for his league.  (Don't remember what it's called, I have it hidden upstairs right now where hubby is sleeping, LOL), but it was only $1 more a brick than the cheapest stuff they had.

Arch, one day I will own a Single Six.  It wasn't in my price range this go round, but I love the idea of a revolver, since they are easier to tear down, LOL.

Tallyho, I did get the 6", but it's solid black.  My plan is to give my husband both of the guns, with a note he's to pick the one he wants.  I was hoping that he'd pick the Neos, since I think I'm the more likely one to join a league, but........now that I've held them side by side, and played with them briefly, I really like the way the Neos feels in my hand.  Obviously we haven't shot them yet, and probably won't until a week from Sunday, but just from feel, I'd pick the Neos for myself.  Hubby will get the guns next Friday, and since Saturday will be his sister's last day visiting, we probably won't get to shoot until Sunday.

Corbanzo, We're headed your way this weekend, going to spend the holiday at Miller's camping and going on a day cruise  :-)

Anyway, sorry for the long post, I REALLY appreciate everyone's assistance.  I'm sure that like most "gun folk", we will be buying many more in the future, and if we do get involved in competitive shooting, your advice on guns will be of great help to us.

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« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2006, 09:50:36 AM »
By the way, I agree with the Single Six. I had one and my wife liked shooting it (and I will have another one day!) but it wouldn't really work in the games she likes to play now.

And you will notice with the Beretta Neos how simple it is to take down for cleaning.

At the match last weekend, one lady had a lovely Ruger mkII and when I showed her how easy I could take the Beretta apart, she offered to sell me the Ruger because she said it was a such a pain to take down ... we are still in negotiation for it!  :)

When you remember what to do, the Rugers are pretty straight forward in assembly and disassembly.

Cheers
Kerry
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« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2006, 06:57:22 PM »
LOL, Kerry, you're selling me more and more on the Neos...poor hubby may not get a choice, i just may give him the MKIII and tell him tough cookies the Neos is mine :)

I don't know what the games are that your wife does (I mean, I know what you've called them, but I know nothing about competition at this point, though I have a friend who will teach me soon, after she gets settled in her new house and I quit having company....that's one of the woes of living in Alaska, everyone comes to visit in the summer!) but they sound fun, and possibly like what I'd like to do one day.

As a kid, my sisters and I shot BB guns all the time, but when I grew up, I had kids young, and I've never trusted a gun in the house, so never owned anything.  Kids are older (well, the oldest is 14) now, and we keep the guns well secured, no way could we use them for personal protection at home, but, anywho, I'd forgotten how much fun shooting was.  (We've bought a couple BB guns, too, since we bought out guns, and we stand out in the garage and shoot them every night, LOL)  Now that I know how much fun it is, I can see me wanting to get involved in all kinds of shooting sports down the road.

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« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2006, 08:41:23 PM »
AAH - I won't accept responsibility for any domestic strife over who gets which toy to play with! That is entirely in your court!  :D

FYI my kids (now 11 and 16) were both introduced to guns early on, and we take them shooting when we can (they live with their mother a couple of hundred miles away). In fact I can't wait for my daughter (16) to come and try out the Neos and enter the shooting games my wife likes. She'll have a blast.

My son (11) who so far is fond of rifles, will no doubt have a go with the Neos as well, and we may have to buy another one!!

And so you know, Speed Steel game consists of shooting various steel targets (usually 5 or 6) in a particular order, 10-15 yards away. They 'clang' when hit and the score is based on hitting them all in the shortest period of time.

The Falling Steel consists of a line of 6 round plates on a hinged rack. 5 of them are about 6" in diameter and one of them is about 4" across. The objective is to knock them all down as quickly as possible. The smaller target is to be shot either as the first, or the last; or if the Range Officer is particularly deviant on a given day, they must be shot in some other order (say shoot 2 large, the small, then the other 3). The targets are reset after each round (by a simple rope powered lever) and the shooters go at it again.

Lots of action and things falling down. Much fun. It is a great spectator sport. Because it is an outdoor gaem, this may not be too appealing in Alaska at certain times of the year.

As an aside, I have sent you a PM with my wife's email. She thinks it would be fun to connect with another Neos shooter.

Cheers
Kerry
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« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2006, 10:28:26 PM »
Tallyho, we delayed leaving on our trip for day, and since sis-in-law is here, we went ahead and gave gifts now, while bro-in-law is here, since he will be leaving before the party.  Do you need to guess which gun hubby chose?????  When I gave them to him, he said, no, you choose first.  Me, being the nice wife, said, no, honey, they're your presents, YOU choose....just knowing he'd go for the bigger, more manly gun......NOT!  He LOVES the Neos!  Something tells me I'll be selling that MKIII soon, so I can have a Neos, too!   :eek:

He's thrilled with them both, though, and may change his mind about which one he prefers after we actually shoot them.  I doubt we'll go to the range while sis-in-law is here, so we probably still won't try them out until next Sunday, but now at least I don't have to keep my secret for another week, LOL.  (He knew I spent money, so he's been pestering me about what I spent SO much money on, LOL, and it's really hard to hold up under that questioning and keep coming up with various legitimate reason I might have used that amount in one day, ROFL)

All of the kids (ages 7-14) have shot our .45, but we'd lost (we thought) the clip for the 9mm and it won't fire without it, so we couldn't shoot it when we went to the range with them last week.  (We found it yesterday, in our pistol safe...black clip blends in really well with a black safe, LOL, so now we have 2 clips for the 9mm, which is great)  Anyway, they all did great with it, which was a concern, because we'd taken the oldest to an indoor range with us and not only did he refuse to fire the .45, he wouldn't fire the 9mm in there, either, because it was so loud it scared him.  Now that he's actually shot a few clips through it outdoors, he'll be fine indoors with it.

We have always discussed gun safety with them, from the time they could comprehend, but we never had a reason to own a gun before, and even the best taught child can still have a lapse and play with a gun, so we just thought it better not to have them in the house.  Two of our four have some emotional issues, though, so we'll still be keeping them well secured.  We have a very protective German Shepherd for home security, plus a bunch of nosy neighbors, LOL, so we're comfortable without having the guns readily available for protection in the home.  We'll definitely be taking them when we are out in the great outdoors, as the grizzlies seem to be very interested in our neck of the woods this year for some reason.

The 22s aren't yet secured, but they are well hidden, the kids don't know we have them yet, and we'll get them secured when we get back from our trip, I just wanted to wait to buy cases and locks until hubby had a chance to look at them and figure out what we wanted.  (Lessons learned from the 9mm and .45, we've now got two cases each, trigger locks that are too big for the soft cases, and have two holsters each, because we bought belt holsters at the same time as the guns, and hubby nor I wear belts, so last night I bought the holsters that just clip on your waistband, LOL.

A class they gave at my husband's unit suggested storing clips separate from the guns, storing bolts separate from rifles, and locks on all guns, so we did that and took it a step further with them having trigger locks AND cable locks on them, stored in locked cases, in a locked room, so hopefully we won't ever have to deal with a child playing with a gun inappropriately.  After the company leaves, Dad will be teaching the two oldest how to care for the guns after we shoot, and Mom thinks that'll be a good time for her to learn, too.

Ahhhhh, here I go babbling again, I need to get to bed, we have a long drive tomorrow, LOL.  I'll be back in a few days, hope everyone has a wonderful 4th!

(Oh yeah, thanks for explaing the games, they all sound like a lot of fun!  I will check into them locally!)

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« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2006, 09:28:43 PM »
Thanks for the update. I'll give your email address to my wife and she'll connect with you when you get back. Hope you have a great trip.

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« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2006, 06:36:02 PM »
:cb2: Darn. I can't even get my wife to shoot .22s anymore. Her two comments are: "I want to feel it when it goes off," and, "It doesn't make big enough holes." I would love to get her a FA83 in .454 for Christmas! I think she might be able to feel that!  :eek: :)
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« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2006, 06:09:10 AM »
I think it's hard to beat a good MKII for target shooting. I have also owned the Neos and they are a good gun, a little easier to clean than the MKII but doesn't have the after market products that the MKII has.
The Ruger single six is a fun little gun but if your doing a lot of shooting it can be a real pain to keep loading it.

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« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2006, 02:37:26 PM »
Basically, get the one you like and feels good.  Make sure you like the feel, trigger pull and sights. I have an S&W 22A ($170) and a Ruger Mark III ($400).  I like both and shoot them frequently. At 15 yards, I see no difference in accuracy.  Most of the time at 25 yards they are about even.  Generally, I shoot the Ruger marginally better than I shoot the 22A.   Most Browning Buckmark and Ruger owners are fanatics about the guns.  If I ever get into the mood to buy another 22 semiautomatic, it will probably be a Buckmark because I don't have one.