Author Topic: Good information on 209 primers for everybody and also Knight breech plugs!  (Read 737 times)

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Offline Busta

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Check this out, but I think there is one error. He listed the Winchester No. 209 A, but I think what he meant to say was Winchester No. W209 which is their standard primer. The 209A is a Federal primer which he lists further down, they are HOT! There were a couple of surprizes in there for me.

He did dispell the myth of the Winchester Primers for me though, it has been said that the Winchester W209 and the Winchester W209ML were the very same primer, that doesn't look to be the case and actually the W209ML is less energetic than the touted NEW Triple Seven primer. Looks like Winchester has three 209 primers suitable for the muzzle loaders; No. W209 (standard), No. W209ML (tan box), and the No. SML209T7 (NEW Triple Seven).

Also some good information on the Knight breech plugs, such as the power stem plug being used in the .50 caliber rifles.
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In a .50 caliber bore, the tip of the 1 1/2" long stem sits at about the 70 grain level of a 100- or 110-grain charge of FFFg Triple Seven.
Also might cure some crud ring problems for some.

http://www.hpmuzzleloading.com/Technical3.html
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The tan box are not even listed at their website. I would assume they were short-lived/discontinued.

http://www.winchester.com/products/catalog/muzzleprimers.aspx
Keep that ML smokin'
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Thanks for posting that. Excellent article with some real world results.

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The tan box are not even listed at their website. I would assume they were short-lived/discontinued.

http://www.winchester.com/products/catalog/muzzleprimers.aspx

Biff,

They are still there, I had the ML in the wrong place, it should be the WML209 instead of the W209ML as I had listed. They do have the W209 (blue box) shown in that pic, but that primer is listed in shotgun reloading components. So they still have 3 different 209 primers listed on there site. W209 (blue box) listed in shotgun reloading components, WML209 (should be tan box) and SML209T7 (Triple Seven) listed in Muzzleloading Primers.
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