.25 ACP Breech Plug Conversions for T/C Encore / Omega

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Has anyone tried this conversion kit for your muzzleloader out ? ... and this so what were your results .

 I here that the 209 primer is a lil over kill to set the powder/pellet charge off and may unseat (move forward) your projectile from the powder/pellet before it fully ignites.

[Redhawk1]

There are a lot of threads in the muzzleloader section of these forums.

I have been using them for about 2 years now and would never want to go back to the 209 primers. I just bought a new T/C Encore Pro-hunter M/L and I am going to have my breech plug modified for the 25 ACP.

But again, go to the muzzleloader section and you will find a ton of information on the 25 ACP conversion.  

[davem270win]

I just did mine. I wasn't going to, since the plug was $60, but I had a trigger job done, and the smith said there was all kinds of crud blown back into the firing pin hole and action, which I had to assume was from 209 primers. I have the Katahdin short barrel 50 cal.

I've only had one range session, but it performed pretty much as advertised, I was getting 2.5" - 3.0" groups at 50 yards (5 shot) and haven't really worked with it much.

I was also working with a new red dot sight, which I find to be a little challenging with bifocals, so I think I can improve on accuracy.

[Huntingnut56]

I started using the variflame primer system and have had good results with is. Accuracy improved and have not had a misfire yet. Cost is alot less and no added equipment or gunsmithing to buy, just primers.

[Redhawk1]

Well my barrel and breech plug is with David White now. He is going to make the conversion on my new Pro-Hunter barrel. It is a lot different than the old 209 Encore breech plug. He needed my barrel and breech plug and extractor. The new 209 system in the Encore, the 209 primer sits flush with the breech plug, so the extractor needs to be modified also, I call him and explained the set up and told him he needed to look at the whole set up,he is using my barrel as his first and where he will get all the information he needs to do other's without the need of the barrel.  Having David white do your old breech plug is I think $25.00. The reason you pay $59.95 from Precision Rifle is, you get a new breech plug, he does not do the modification to your old breech plug. So you can save some money by having Dave White do the work for you. Like I said, the 209 primer is not an option for me. I don't like them and will never use them again.  

[Redhawk1]

Well I just got off the phone with David White and he was unable to do the conversion on the new breech plug. The 25 ACP is not doable  because of the new design of the breech plug. The 25ACP cannot be extracted. He did say he could use the 22 hornet modification because it has a rim on the case for extraction. I will have to wait tell he get other people to do the modification because it is going to be expensive to make the tooling for the conversion. Well I guess I will be looking for light loaded 209 primers.  :cry:

[Buckskin]

That sucks, I can't imagine going back to the 209s.  The accuracy improvement with the 25acp was incredible!!!

[Redhawk1]

That stinks, I can't imagine going back to the 209s.  The accuracy improvement with the 25acp was incredible!!!

I am going to try the Remington Kleen bore primers in the Pr-hunter, I bought some today. If all else fails I always have my other Encore ML to fall back on with the 25 ACP's.  I have 3 complete Encore muzzleloader's, two 50 cal's and one 45 cal.

[swampthing]

Have'nt bothered to look lately... but remington used to make a 209 that was designed for the .410. They also make a version called the STS target 209's, they do well for me.
For the mean time of course.

[GRIMJIM]

Well I guess I will be looking for light loaded 209 primers.  :cry:

HAVEN'T TRIED IT BUT MAYBE THE VARIFLAME SETUP WILL WORK BETTER FOR YOU. I JUST BOUGHT MY FIRST ENCORE. A 209X50 WITH GREY LAMINATED THUMBHOLE AND WAS SERIOUSLY CONSIDERING THE 25 ACP CONVERSION. ESPECIALLY AFTER READING YOUR OTHER POSTS ON THE SUBJECT. GLAD TO HEAR IT WILL WORK ON THE OLDER BREECH PLUG. CHECKED OUT THE PROHUNTER AT THE NRA CONVENTION THIS YEAR. PRETTY SWEET.

[Redhawk1]

I may just have to get the variflame primer system. I don't like how small they are compared to the 25 ACP cases.  

[GRIMJIM]

just got the 25 acp breech plug. do you have to remove the ejector? i haven't messed with it yet, figured i'd ask first.

[Redhawk1]

just got the 25 acp breech plug. do you have to remove the ejector? i haven't messed with it yet, figured i'd ask first.

Yes you have to remove the extractor.

I am going to try the Winchester triple 7 primes also in my Pro-hunter. If I don't like the accuracy I get, I will try different bullets. I did not like the groups I got with the 195 gr. DC Precision Rifle bullets and 90 gr. of triple 7 and Remington Clean bore primers. I ordered the some Platinum 270 gr. powder belts to try also. If all else fails, I will just use my Encore with the 25 ACP conversion and stick with the loads that gave me 1 inch groups at 100 yards, I know how well it shoots. I really don't know why I bought this Pro-hunter, other than I liked the look of it.  :?

[manofthe45]

Redhawk the VariFlame tm PRIMER ADAPTER uses a wide variety of primers I just found it on the precision rifle web page

[Redhawk1]

Redhawk the VariFlame tm PRIMER ADAPTER uses a wide variety of primers I just found it on the precision rifle web page

I just don't like how small the adapters are, sure they are the size of the 209, but if I drop them I would have to buy a bunch of them at a much higher price of the 209.
I found that my Po hunter shoot 250 gr. bonded shock wave bullets over 120 gr. of loose triple seven and Remington Kleen bore primers give me sub MOA at 100 yards and the barrel is free of the crud ring and a lot of fouling. But my standard Encore M/L still loves the 25 ACP conversion and 195 gr. DC Precision Rifle bullets and 90 gr. of triple 7. The VariFlame is not something I will pursue.