Author Topic: 7600 in 358 Winchester or 350 Remington Mag (Poll Included) (Read 3352 times)

Mike103 · « **on:** March 24, 2006, 03:01:51 PM »

Ok who would lay down hard cash for a 7600 in 358 Winchester or 350 Remington Mag? I e-mailed Grices in PA and asked if they would do a special run in 358 or 350. I am waiting their reply. So who is in for what?

old06 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 24, 2006, 03:06:22 PM »

The 358 Win is the way I would go the 350 Rem mag has the belt and your asking for feeding problems there

Mike103 · « **Reply #2 on:** March 24, 2006, 03:22:12 PM »

Ok, great information. MIKE.

Siskiyou · « **Reply #3 on:** March 24, 2006, 05:12:38 PM »

I like the idea of a M7600 in 350 Remington Mag. I think the magzine feed issue is a Red Herring. Think about it, the magazine is the critical feed control item in the M7600. Remington has designed magazines from the .222 to the 30-06 to feed in the M7600. It also currently manufactures rifles and in the pass that feed belted cases from fix, dropped and detachable box magazines in other rifles. You are not looking at an impossible engineering task in the world of firearm design.

Maybe the engineers over at Browning are brighter. The Browning Pump rifle was offered in both 7MM Remington Mag. and .300 Winchester Mag. The Browning BAR is offered in the . 7MM and .300 Mag, and was offered in the .338 Winchester at one time.

The Browning Lever Rifle is offered in the 7 Rem. Mag., 300 Winchester Magnum, and the 450 Marlin Magnum. All belted cases.

Feeding belted cases is so engineering complex that Marlin even feeds belted cases in it's level rifle.

The bottomline is that the Marketing people need to believe they can make a profit selling rifle in the .350 Remington Caliber. While I like the idea, we may have a better chance at seeing on in the new .338 Federal.

A common item is both the Remington and the Brownings use detachable box magzines.

I tossed out the same idea a while back. If it was not for great minds.

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I have alway been fascinated by the .350 Rem. and the .35 Whelen. Years ago I tried to buy a friend's .350 Rem. closet gun but he would not sell it. I suspect it has seen forty rounds fired from it in 40 years.

With Remington trying to promote the .350 Rem. again why have they not brought it out in the M7600. I realize that sales of the .35 Whelen were not enough to maintain it as a standard chambering, why not try the .350 in the M7600. Is there an engineering problem that cannot be over come. I rather doubt that the presure level is a problem. The .270 has been a standard round in the M760 and M7600 since the 50's.

I do not have any experience with the Whelen, but all the reloading manuals make an issue of the shallow shoulder on the Whelen. Is that a real problem. The design of the .350 case should over come the shallow shoulder problem of the Whelen case and it has a little more powder capacity.

I recall an old cowboy who hunted deer with a M141 Remington Pump in .35 Remington. As a kid I was impressed with bore size and the bucks he collected. Now most people will say that the .35 is an Eastern round, but the old cowboy collected his deer in Idaho, Washington, and California. I suspect the old cowboy could not read and did not realize his .35 was not for Western Mule deer and jack rabbits.

Siskyou

tanoose · « **Reply #4 on:** March 25, 2006, 02:40:17 AM »

I dont think its a problem at all ,but lets look at the 7600 and who owns them . I would guess 99% are deer hunters and the 350 is just not needed for deer . Yes it would be a great combo for bear and moose but then again so is the 30/06 and the 30/06 after 100 years is still the number 1 seller nationwide. I have a model 760 gamemaster i bought back in 1973 in 30/06 i gave it to my oldest boy and he wouldn't give it up for nothing. I have never tested it beyond 100 yards but at that distance its just as accurate as my 700 BDL bolt action. My opinion is that the remington pump is the best east coast deer rifle. Later Tanoose

whelen36 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 25, 2006, 06:58:17 AM »

i'de go for either one , a .358 , or a .350 mag but , i don't think the mag would be possible but if it would be , how about the .350 rem. mag. and 6.5 rem. mag. as well

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Mike103 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 25, 2006, 08:14:05 AM »

Quote from: whelen36

i'de go for either one , a .358 , or a .350 mag but , i don't think the mag would be possible but if it would be , how about the .350 rem. mag. and 6.5 rem. mag. as well ?

Scary how much we all think alike. MIKE.

Siskiyou · « **Reply #7 on:** March 26, 2006, 08:02:46 AM »

My brother just broke my bubble on this issue. He is the gunsmiths friend and feeder. He loves wildcats. Builds one and then moves on to the next one. He already has a 35 Norma Magnum.

He was traumatized 35 years ago shooting a .350 Remington Magnum in a light wieght Remington Model 660. And he already has a rifle in .35 Whelan. His advice was find a M7600 in .35 Whelan. I just about asked he if he was running a fever, and did he want me to call 911 for him. Then he told me we needed to make a trip to the Reno Big Gun Show in August. He wants to find a used Remington 700 in .35 Whelan. He has a reamer to clean out the chamber and create a .35 Whelan improved. I assume this is the same as the .35 IA. I guess he is feeling okay.

It worrys me when this wildcatter sounds logical.

Mike103 · « **Reply #8 on:** March 26, 2006, 11:34:31 AM »

Nine people is not as much interest as I thought! MIKE.

TNrifleman · « **Reply #9 on:** March 26, 2006, 11:42:55 AM »

The Remington pump rifle in 358 Winchester would be a nice gun. How about one in the new 338 Federal?

DLuke · « **Reply #10 on:** March 27, 2006, 02:46:03 PM »

I betcha the 338 Federal will happen...

Mike103 · « **Reply #11 on:** March 31, 2006, 12:04:29 PM »

Ok! You guys are really starting to piss me off! Before I found this site I only owned a 7400 in 30-06 that replaced a 742 in 30-06 that wore out. The 742 lasted twenty+ years and killed lot's of deer. The 7400 was on it's way having killed several deer and a pig. Then I found this site.

Now I have a 7600 in 35 Whelen, a 7600 in 35 Remington, a 7600 in 25-06 and 257Roberts convinced me that I needed a 7400 carbine in .280 Remington. Of course I still have my 7400 in 30-06.

Now here is the deal. You guy's told me how great the 358 Winchester is. I went on www.24hourcampfire.com and they told me how great the 358 Winchester is. I poured over the Winchester Ammo catalog and am convinced that I need a 7600 in 358 Winchester or 350 Remington Mag.

So let's get with the program. Who is buying one so I can anoy the crap out of Grices to make one. MIKE.

Mike103 · « **Reply #12 on:** March 31, 2006, 12:12:00 PM »

Scroll down 1/4 of the page. I'm in half blaze camo and 1/2 green camo. I killed this one with the 35 Remington. Also killed a spike with the 35 Whelen but no picture.

http://archive.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=11&t=408143&page=4

BULLMASTIFF · « **Reply #13 on:** March 31, 2006, 03:33:31 PM »

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Ok! You guys are really starting to piss me off! Before I found this site I only owned a 7400 in 30-06 that replaced a 742 in 30-06 that wore out. The 742 lasted twenty+ years and killed lot's of deer. The 7400 was on it's way having killed several deer and a pig. Then I found this site.

Now I have a 7600 in 35 Whelen, a 7600 in 35 Remington, a 7600 in 25-06 and 257Roberts convinced me that I needed a 7400 carbine in .280 Remington. Of course I still have my 7400 in 30-06.

Now here is the deal. You guy's told me how great the 358 Winchester is. I went on www.24hourcampfire.com and they told me how great the 358 Winchester is. I poured over the Winchester Ammo catalog and am convinced that I need a 7600 in 358 Winchester or 350 Remington Mag.

So let's get with the program. Who is buying one so I can anoy the (censored word) out of Grices to make one. MIKE.

I know what you mean. I started out with my dad's 760 in 300 savage, and now I have a 760 in 35 Remington and a 760 I just had rechambered from 35 Remington to 35 Whelen Improved. And now I'm looking for 760's in 270 Win and 30.06 that are in good shape. And I'm trying to figure out how to get a 7615 rebarreled in 6.5 Grendel. I'm not sure about a 7600 in 358 Winchester, but considering I have a 35 cal. thing going, why the heck not. :grin: And there is something about that 338 Federal round that is getting me interested. It must be a sickness or a disease I tell ya. I was infected before I found out about this site, now I'm terminal.

TNrifleman · « **Reply #14 on:** April 01, 2006, 02:35:02 AM »

I think you are right, it's terminal... resistance is futile... I have the same affliction!

Country Boy · « **Reply #15 on:** April 01, 2006, 05:54:13 AM »

Why bother ? Just buy a 7600 in .35 whelen and some loading dies, you can load to .358 or .350 Rem mag vel. I love the .358 and have used it a lot for black bear. But the advantage of these is you can use in short actions. I like the .358 in a lever gun and have a Blr 81 in .358 win. I've also had two Remmington 700 classic in .350 Rem and a .35 whelen in a Rem. semi auto. relly liked it and it is available in the new 750 Rem woodmaster. BUT for me the little blr81 was best for bear hunting over bait and I dumped a good sized moose with it.

BULLMASTIFF · « **Reply #16 on:** April 01, 2006, 07:11:00 AM »

Buying more than one firearm is never a bother.

If I wanted just one firearm, I'd get a 30.06 and call it good. I mean, in all reality, you can kill everything in north america with a 30.06 - yes, even brown bear. Wouldn't be my first choice, but it could and has been done. But since I have two sons, and a third on the way, I look at it as a way to get an assortment of rifles of different calibers. I see no need (OK, I could make one up for the wife if I had to) to have several rifles of the same make, in the same caliber. Each caliber has it's own performance capability, some broader than others. But also, each of these calibers have different felt recoils. And when I'm teaching my boys how to shoot, I know that the 300 Sav. and 35 Rem will not make them fearing recoil. My 35 Whelen Imp. will be a great elk and bear thumper. Could I use it on deer or antelope? Sure. Could I load it up or down, to manage differnt loads and different felt recoils. Sure, if I wanted to spend the time, but I already know what works good in my 300 Sav. for deer ( with very little meat damage and recoil) and it is effective out to 200-250 yds. I could also use it on bear. The 35 Rem will be a brush gun (and it was in such perfect condition, I couldn't bring myself to have it cut to 35 Whelen) for deer and bear and maybe even elk if the ranges are kept short. I want a 270 for deer and antelope, and I want a 30.06 because it could cover all forms of hunting here in north america, and because every red blooded american should have an aught-six :grin: I like the idea of the 358 Win and the 338 Federal, because they could fill a gap between the 300 Sav./35 Rem and the 35 Whelen Imp. OK, the 270 and 30.06 fill those gaps too, but you see, I have a sickness, and if or when you get it, you will come up with all sorts of rational and irrational reasons to justify your next firearm purchase. :lol:

Savage .250 · « **Reply #17 on:** April 01, 2006, 09:58:39 AM »

I own neither of the cals mentioned but if i were to buy one it would be in
.358. Nothing wong with the .350 Rem but to me the .358 is more
appealing. Personal choice.

fknipfer · « **Reply #18 on:** April 07, 2006, 10:37:14 AM »

I have several firearms (rifles) from the bottom to the top. 22cal thru 45/70 and have two 30-06's which fill in the middle very well. I do not want a cartridge that I can't go into a store in Podunk, Kansas or in the middle of Alaska or Canada and find ammunition. A 220gr will take a bear very nicely, may have to shoot it a few times but can take one. The 180gr 30-06 has probably taken more game than any other round ever used. Great for elk, deer, moose etc etc. If I was just collecting rifles I would look at old trapdoors and those kind of rounds. In my humble opinion a .358 or 350 magnum may be completey gone in 10yrs, but the old 30-06 won't.

fknipfer

doetag · « **Reply #19 on:** April 19, 2006, 10:34:42 PM »

I got an easy fix for anyone wanting a 7600 in 358 win. Call Grices in Penn. order one in 35 rem. and send it to SSK Ind. and have it rechambered to 358. I did last year and I love it.The only thing I would change is I would get the carbine next time. SSK rechambered mine for 175.00 And had it back to me in a week. The people at Grices and SSK were great to deal with.

rich5674 · « **Reply #20 on:** April 21, 2006, 01:29:45 AM »

I'd go for the 358. I don't think Remington would bother with the mods necessary for a belted mag, same ballistics as the Whelen anyway. I Wouldnt be suprised to see the 7600 in 338 Federal myself even though I like the selection of 358 bullets better.

fknipfer · « **Reply #21 on:** April 21, 2006, 06:05:28 PM »

Will they be deader than the ones I shoot with my 30-06. I am loading some 240gr Woodleigh bullets in 30-06 caliber that look outstanding I will have to get back to you to see if I need a .350 or .358.

fknipfer

whelen36 · « **Reply #22 on:** April 22, 2006, 03:43:21 PM »

mike , did grice's get back to you yet , if so , what did they say bud

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Mike103 · « **Reply #23 on:** April 25, 2006, 01:57:34 AM »

I e-mailed them twice. The first time I just asked what loading they were thinking of this year and asked if the 358 or 350 were posible. No answer to that e-mail. In the second e-mail I asked if they had any more 6mm's in that maple stock left, they don't, and again I asked about the 358 and 350. They answered the question about the 6mm but did not reply to the question of the 358 or 350. I will call this week. MIKE.

Mike103 · « **Reply #24 on:** May 16, 2006, 06:25:26 AM »

Just got off the phone with Grices. They have not decided on the calibers yet for the 7600 special run for 2006. I told them our preference of 358 Winchester first and 350 Remington mag second. He was non commital. MIKE.

Mike103 · « **Reply #25 on:** June 08, 2006, 12:11:58 PM »

Called Grices again, 6-6-06. They still have 35 Remington carbines and 35 Whelen rifles in walnut stocks. They also have 25-06 Remington and 7mm-08 Remington in maple stocks. No news on what calibers for 2006-2007. MIKE.

RLB · « **Reply #26 on:** October 01, 2006, 05:45:34 AM »

I thought the .358 was already gone I thought that browning was the only company still producing rifles in .358 and I've never seen a box of .358win at any gun store..the .350 remmy is a good choice but It still doesn't beat the .35 whelen so I don't think we will ever see a .358 produced by remington besides there about the only people producing rifles in .35 whelen..and all the ammo I see being produced for the whelen is from remington...
true that a reloader can produce ample supplies of any ammo they need..but a company like remington won't produce rifles unless theres a profit to be made...and there is profit in the whelen I know cause I been trying to find a 700 CDL .35 whelen all the local shops including BPS, cabelas, gander mountain and sportsmans werehouse are sold out...

RLB....in answer to your question ..I'd pick the .350mag..

Country Boy · « **Reply #27 on:** October 02, 2006, 06:03:01 AM »

It makes no sense to have a &emington 7600 in .358 as long as you can get one in .35 whelen and load i6t down to .358 vel. The problem is the 7600 action is the same length reguardless. Now if Remington made an action just for .358,308 ect length action then you would have a winner. They also should put a recoil pad on the 7600.

CaptOnion · « **Reply #28 on:** October 11, 2006, 02:31:26 PM »

My brother and I would take a 7600 in 358.A carbine would be a real bonus.

Bandito · « **Reply #29 on:** October 13, 2006, 02:38:14 AM »

I think the 358 would be the way to go. I have a 7600 in 35 Whelen. Still want the 358 to go along with my other two. I can then have the same loads for my son and grands when they deer hunt with me. The smaller grands love the Savage with small game loads. Pistol bullets and small charges of pistol powder have no recoil. I hope they do the 358 7600 to avoid rechambering charges on the 35 Remington. God Bless. Bandito