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P-17/ m1917 enfield
« on: September 20, 2006, 07:26:00 PM »
this one has been sporterized, dog ears shaved off , wood stock in bad shape , would like to find a synthetic stock, the rifles magazine floor plate is flat, that makes a difference in finding a stock. i would like to find a scope mount as well, any advice would be apprechated.

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Re: P-17/ m1917 enfield
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2006, 07:31:37 AM »
#1). It is "P" 14. The British called things "pattern of" and abbreviated it "P".  US used "model of" and "M", so it is P14/M17 while exactly the same design. Of course the US demanded that theirs be chambered in .30/'06... not .303 British... The .303 bolt face is perfect for belted magnum cases without alteration. .300 H&H, etc.
#2).  There is bad press about the ones made by Eddystone at Baldwin Locomotive works (in Eddystone, PA) owned by Remington and part of their contract. If it says Eddystone, you might want to have it magnafluxed by any automotive machine shop to check for cracks in the receiver ring where the barrel screws in. Usually no problem unless the barrel has been removed to rebarrel. But, BE SAFE!. And much cheaper than picking parts out of your face IF YOU LIVE!!!
#3). If the ears have been ground off, where the original rear sight was... Oh boy... ... ... HOW MUCH? [Some had a hole under the rear sight spring. It was filled with weld, usually.] There are bases available, but you will have to do some measuring to see which ones fit. If the original receiver contour was followed, that is easy. Most factories have made bases to fit the design. If the artist decided to go "flat"... good luck. The supply of surplus guns dried up long ago, so you won't find bases at Kmart. Contact factories and you should do o.k. on the first or second try.
#4). Shorteneing the magazine from 6 rounds to 5 rounds to make for a flatter bottomed and sleeker stock was common place. Again, go to the factory and ask for the stock for the shortened magazine rifle. If the person you are talking too knows anything about these... Again, how well was the work done. You may need to do some fitting, but that is like working on these new plastic car bodies... (ha, ha, ha...)
#5).  Remington, after the war, used this action of commercial rifles. Model 30/30S and Model 720 if I recall. You can cross check for parts with these model numbers. Might fit. Might need fitting.

     Mr. Ackley did not think that these actions were overly strong, but plenty enough strong. (Mine are winchesters) I think Mr. Weatherby developed his first rounds and commercial guns on these actions. They are large and heavy. Lousy for a .223. Knew a 'smith who told me about one just re barreled to .22/250. If you closed the bolt too fast, the cartridge, the SHORT cartridge would jump out of the action over the receiver ring. Problem in the excitement of battle with p'dogs... (ha, ha) .375 h&h, ABOUT RIGHT, with a good recoil pad (or larger...) ... LUCK

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Re: P-17/ m1917 enfield
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2006, 07:17:30 PM »
agree with most of what iiranger said.. The eddystone problem I haven't seen, but I have certainly heard about it. The P14 is the correct British nomenclature but the US version is called a M1917.. These rifles can be worked up into nice sporters but require a lot of doing. Their biggest advantage is their mag length. They can quite easily swallow a 375 H&H.. Have even seen the monstrous 505 in an Enfield..  I too built one many years ago. Mines a 300WinMag. Long throated and with 200 grain nosler partitions seated out where they belong it shoots amazing! A bit heavy and the stock style is a bit dated but it always shoots to the same point of aim..and quite well. By the way, I've never found one of those big partitions back...
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Re: P-17/ m1917 enfield
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2006, 08:38:05 PM »
top, I know this is a bit late. Rimrock stocks are available and are exactly what you are looking for. I tried the Carbelite stock but found it to be a joke on me. I have a Rem. model 30 with the flat floor plate and nonetheless just today ordered a p-17 unfinished blank from Rimrock. 195.00 plus shipping cost. I suspect to dig around for a rasp and 80 grit or the like and reshape the belly some or not. I will see. Joan over there who took my order said 2wks. to my door-just fine. These stocks are compare with the quality again to the likes of McMillian only. I am sure you will like them from all that I have gathered.

My stock is so dried out that shooting heavy .338 bullets thru it is cracking the tang area although the recoil lug is fully bed as well as a couple of inches of the barrel. Now it is a .338-06 with a Redfield 70R peep. Had Jim Dubell over at Clearwater Reboring do it from my .30-06 to the now .338-06, pretty neat work. The lettering of the chambering on the barrel is engraved with silver of sorts-does nice work. It does now cock on opening and differs from yours as yours is cock on closing. Changed out the trigger to the Timney and that envolved abit of work. Changed out the stryker spring as well. Opened up the foward part of the rails. Have the keyway at the front silver soldered and a NECG front ramp with a FiberOptic installed.

None of this old stuff is cheap but sure is worth it when you have it completed. Good luck with your stock.