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Offline EVOC ONE

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Help W/Mosin 44 project
« on: October 24, 2006, 01:55:42 PM »
I have been planning a Mod 38 Mosin project for some time, but cannot bring myself to cutting up a decent, numbers matching example, which is what I've been seeing lately. I've located a couple numbers matching M-44's, both of which are in rough enough shape cosmetically, that I have considered picking one up for the project rather than a M-38.  However, I've read that removal of the bayonet and lug affect accuracy due to the barrel whipping when shot.  I've also read that there is no affect at all.

My question is:  If removal of the bayonet and lug does affect accuracy, then would fully bedding the stock or the addition of a anti-vibration pad near the front of the stock have a positive affect?

I've purchased a full length walnut stock from Boyds for the project.

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Re: Help W/Mosin 44 project
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2006, 09:25:01 PM »
Coincidentally, I was reading somewhere about how OPENING the bayonet would affect accuracy.  I figure that opening the bayonet, removing it and/or removing the lug would all make a single load have different POI.  I think that the accuracy would be different.  If you handload for it (which I would be surprised if you didn't) then what difference would it make?  Not that I am an engineer but I would think that you would just have a different load work up to do depending on accessories. 

Getting SKS this month.  Can't decide between M48, Mosin or K-31 myself.  Leaning toward Mauser right now.  An inlaw made the point that the Mosin has awkward safety for hunting.  I assume that you have read this:
http://www.surplusrifle.com/carbinenagant/oddsandends3/index.asp

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Re: Help W/Mosin 44 project
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2006, 08:14:01 AM »
Anything that alters the vibratory patterns of the barrel at firing will likely affect the accuracy one way or the other. Otherwise the Browning Boss systems would have no effect of accuray, and they do... Will a pressure pad help,., that's hard to say, like determining the accuracy of a rifle by looking at it. The old english and continental makers full length bedded barrels to dampen vibrations for it's entire length. Remington built a very enviable reputation for accuracy by building a pressure pad on each and every rifle.. Today some people remove the pressure pad and route out the channel to float the barrel, even before test firing! The only way to really know is to try them.. I've found in my limited experience that pressure bedded barrels tend to shoot better overall. Floated barrels stay put better,especially if a a tight sling is used or the weather is less than consistant.. Full length bedded barrels stay where they're put but if done is all wood, weather(moisture) can be a factor. I built a 300WinMag on an Enfield action(1917). It was completed in the mid 70's. It has not changed zero more than a click or 2 in the intervening years, except for the one change I made to it's load.. I use it every couple of years and it is nearly always on the money. The barrel is completely bedded full length(action too) in bedding compound. If I'm not mistaken it was Herters brand..kinda dates things a bit,,huh?
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Re: Help W/Mosin 44 project
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2006, 11:47:30 PM »
Thanks guys.  I appreciate your comments and experiances.  Lots of good info there.  I guess it's pretty much trial and error. 

bluebayou:  The "lil black beauty" article was the article that supported my musing about using the M-44 rather than a M-38, although I have also read threads from that site and others about such a project.  Yea, the Mosin safety certainly is not user friendy and would be an issue with a scope mounted over the receiver.  I am set up to reload for the big Russian cartridge.

gunnut69:  "Herters", that goes back a few.  :D

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Re: Help W/Mosin 44 project
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2006, 12:23:24 AM »
Here's and interesting site you might get some ideas from:
http://www.gswagner.com/mosin-nagant/mnsporter.html

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Re: Help W/Mosin 44 project
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2006, 02:34:45 AM »
myarmor:   Thanks for the heads up.  Exellent info.  Wagners range results are encouraging.  His sporter is pretty much what I had in mind. 

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Re: Help W/Mosin 44 project
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2006, 02:43:47 AM »
EVOC - my brother had a M44 that wouldn't shoot worth a dang with the bayonet and mounting 'whatever' on the barrel.  In addition, his stock didn't fit well and put pressure on thebarrel after the barrel heated up.  We removed the bayonet and 'lug', if you want to call it that - removed it so the lug was neither present or capable of remounting the bayonet.  Then I opened up the barrel channel and bedded the action only as far down the barrel channel as the end of the chamber.  She would then print groups at 100 yds.  It turned out to be a honey and a 30 cailber cartridge with 200 gn bullets is an excellent field piece.   

The difference without the bayonet and lug was noticeable, but after I opened up the barrel channel and bedded the action it was sweet.  Mikey.

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Re: Help W/Mosin 44 project
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2006, 01:52:02 AM »
Good info as well, Mikey.  That's the first time I've read of the bayo/lug contributing to accuracy problems.  Interesting.

Thanks much.

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Re: Help W/Mosin 44 project
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2006, 01:40:12 PM »
EVOC ONE:  Believe it or not, those bayonets and lug assemblies add a lot of weight to the end of a barrel and something like that will definately affect how the rifle shoots.  And, if your barrel impacts the stock anywhere along its length the affect seems to be more noticeable with the weight of the bay/lug.  In addition, a lot of mil-surp shooters often remove the cleaning rod from the stock when they go to see how their rifles shoot - seems you can put some serious tension on the stock (and consequently the barrel) when you tighten those things down so they don't work loose during a session.  Mikey.

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Re: Help W/Mosin 44 project
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2006, 01:11:48 AM »
Mikey.  I never considered that.  Seems logical, though.  :)

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