quickdtoo 405 Win. Questions

[dave hall]

What barrel did it start out as ?What's a good deer load out to 200 yds.?I always wanted this round but I wasn't going to carry the weight of the #1-H around.I love the 45-70,but I like the long case of the 405.Can you get the 405 to shoot a little flatter than the 45-70.I know a couple of guy's that build custom guns I will see if one of them can rechamber it.Who does yours and whats he charge.Thanks for any info,Dave.

[quickdtoo]

Dave,

I bought a .38-55 Target which has a 28" barrel and had it rebored and rechambered, Wayne York did the work, he charges about $325 for that job. It'll shoot the 300gr Hornady SP Interlock at 2435fps, with a 200yd zero, it's 3.2" high at 100yds, 6" low at 275yds, muzzle energy is 3949fp, 200yd is 2163fp and 275yd is 1702fp. Energy at 300yds is 1569fp, but it drops almost 14", so if elk were on the menu, you'd be good to go! If a 250yd zero was used, it would be 5½" high at 100yds and 7½" low at 300yds.

Flatter shooting than the .45-70, but still not a long range round. The 300gr SP .411 bullet has a BC of .250, a 300gr .458" Barnes Original bullet has a BC of .291, so it would be just slightly flatter shooting by about a ½" at the same velocity. If the 300gr X-bullet shoots good, it should beat both of the others with a BC of .313.

I tried to shoot the discontinued 350gr Barnes XFB, but it wouldn't shoot well,  I have some 300gr Barnes-X bullets, but haven't tried them yet, the Hornadys shoot so well, first 2 shots are touching, sometimes in one hole, then the 3rd always opens the group to well under an inch.

The biggest problem is bullet selection in .411", there just aren't a lot. Another one I'd consider if I had African dreams, would be the .300gr Northfork or their still in develpment 360gr.

Tim

http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger_No1_405.htm

http://home.earthlink.net/%7Eoregunsmithing/index.html

[dave hall]

Thanks quickdtoo thats great info.Is that 300gr. at 2435 in that in the Hornady reloading book.I have a Barnes book.With the 405 I should get the Hornady book.That load with 3949 FPE is inpressive.Do you still use the full 28" barrel for the 405.Does the gunsmith run into any type of problems with these barrels or is it the same as any other rifle barrel.Thanks,Dave.

[quickdtoo]

The barrel is still factory length, data is from Hodgdon, but using the SP bullet instead of the FP. I started at 53gr and worked up in .5gr increments, 56.5gr of benchmark and the 300gr Hornady SP at 2435fps was the best load, 56gr shot decent too, 57gr shot good, but made the brass stick on ejection., so I didn't go any higher, max is 59gr. My barrel is throated for the 350gr XFB, so keep that in mind if you work up loads. Fred ran this load thru QuickLoad, it showed a velocity of 2427, it doesn't get any closer than that!! I emailed you the Barnes data a week or 2 ago.

A rebore is pretty straight forward, the smith doesn't need the frame to do it, in fact Wayne prefers not to have the frame, then he doesn't have to log it.

Tim

http://www.hodgdon.com/data/rifle/405win.php

[dave hall]

I read In one of these post where you have Sharps cal's in your rifles.I think on of them was a 45-110.That case is real close to a 458 Lott case can you use big stuff like the Lott or the 50 Alaskan in a Handi ?What other 40 cal. or bigger do you have or are going to do down the road.Thanks,Dave.

[quickdtoo]

I have an H&R Buffalo Classic .45-120-3¼" Sharps, it shoots top book loads from Hodgdon of 500gr cast at over 1800fps, but at pressures less than 30kpsi. I don't really have a need to go any hotter than that, as the brass costs $2 each and is in short supply now that Bell has closed shop. Hubel458 contacted me with load options that would put it at or above .458WinMag velocities using an 85% case density of smokeless powder, but at pressures well within the SB2's strength, the brass is good for 60kpsi, but I don't really have any reason to go there unless just for fun. I've shot 555gr Saeco gas checked at just shy of 1800fps, don't need much more than that, if that, if you know what I mean.

The only other big bore that I've considered is a .375-06 made from the .25-06 I bought a month or so ago, but I haven't decided yet.

Tim

http://www.hodgdon.com/data/cowboy/lrrd.php#45-120

.45-70 vs .45-120

[dave hall]

I'm going to get the 38-55 barrel to do the 405 in .It say's to call and see if it will work on my reciever which will be off the 500 S&W I hope it will.For the 405 to be impressive do I need the whole 28" or can I cut it back a little.Thanks,Dave.

[quickdtoo]

Hodgdon's data is with a 24" barrel to give you an idea, a 26" barrel should be good too.

Tim