hakim

[lgm270]

I've been reading about these.  Does anyone have one?

[Mikey]

Igm270:  BigBill has one of those, maybe even two.  He loves his and thinks they are a hoot.  The Hakim is an off-shoot, so to speak, of the Ljungman AG42b which is a 6.5mm rifle.  The main defference twixt the two is the positioning of the muzzle brake and the caliber, I believe.  HTH.  Mikey.

[R.W.Dale]

The Hakim also has an adjustable gas system. A big plus over the AG42b

[Cheesehead]

lgm 270

I read your post and did a little reading myself. Now I want one. I like semi autos and the 8mm round. This rifle seem like the perfect fit to my growing collection, maybe a little spendy from what I have read. You may have seen this site about the Hakim, if not it is informative and sparked my interest.

http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting2005/hakimstory/index.asp

Cheese

[lgm270]

A bright idea:   many 8mm mauser barrels are badly pitted and corroded from much use and from corrosive military ammo over the years.  A shot out or corroded  8mm Hakim barrel  could theoretically be rebored to  .358" for a 9x57mm  mauser or .358x57mm if you will. Shortened to 20",  and mated with a scout scope, this new outfit would be a pretty neat scout semi-auto with a new bore and a cartridge that could be loaded for almost any game animal.  A little heavy maybe, but very low recoil and fast follow up shots.  I guess you could keep the full barrel length (25") if desired, but what's the point?  It's awfully heavy and unwieldy.  The 20" tube would be lighter and faster handling.  With a scout scope it would be a great brush gun in .35 caliber.  Think of all those great .357&358 bullets out there.  You could form cases from 8mm mauser or abundant and cheap 30-06 cases and use cheap pistol bullets for lots of fun plinking. 

It would be a most unusual 35 caliber rifle. 

A 9.3x57 would also be interesting, but might be too large a caliber for reboring an 8mm gas operated barrel. 

Another option would be to have a custom barrel made, preferably in stainless steel and chambered for the .308 Win.  A .308 Hakim with a 20" barrel would really be cool.  No reason a 308 barreled Hakim  would not function as well as an 8x57 mm.  Unfortunatly, such a barrel would cost more than $500.00 and  would be contingent on finding a smith who was willing and able to work on the Hakim. 


Another problem is that no one appears to make a mount for the Hakim.  There are scout scope mounts for every other mil-surp except the Hakim.  It has the same kind of pinned  rear sight as the mauser, so some modifications could arguably be made to adapt one of he existing mounts to the rear sight base of the Hakim. 

[lgm270]

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[S.S.]

I have one of the Hakim Rifles. It is probably the worst balanced, loudest rifles I have
ever fired. It will also remove the tip of your thumb during the loading procedure if you are not extremely careful !!    They are quite accurate though.. I had an original Bayonet for it also but someone made me an offer I could not refuse on it and it now has another proud owner.(Swede mauser bayonet fits perfectly though)  Ever see a Hakim with a 30 round mag ? Can't go into a lot of detail because I am not sure of all the legalities of such a thing, but there is an old Machine Gun ( I think an MG 13) That was so close to the Hakim that 10 minutes with a dremmel tool will add substantial firepower to the Hakim. Most Hakim rifles saw very, very little use and are in VG to excellent condition. (dropped in sand only once condition! )
The price has also went up substantially in recent years. Rebarreling would add a great deal of cost to an already expensive rifle. I have not ran across one for under about $700.00 in many years.
This is one Mil-Surp that I do not see coming in as surplus in anything but maybe an extremely small lot ever again. There were very few produced compared to other surplus imports.

[TrenchMud]

You are right on that ! The prices on those things has jumped almost out of reach in the last couple
of years. Of all the Milsurps I have, That one will probably give the best return on the investment I have in it.... "Hakim Thumb" is Quite Painful, I assure you ...Ouch! That hurt! That REALLY HURT!   Squeel like a little Girl 

[1911crazy]

My few Hakims are awesome, what a blaster!!!!  What an overlooked fun to shoot rifle this gun is. The gas system is adjustable.  With this gas system the gas adjusting screw adjusts how much gas the system gets to operate it so the more its closed the better. I did purchase my first hakim to shoot the cheap 8mm turk ammo.  I did shoot some in the beginning but i hardely shoot any turk ammo now in my hakim.  The prices latey are soaring on everything surplus. Its one gun any surplus lover should have.  Its also an attention getter at the range too.

BTW: Some guys have put extra slots on the gas valve so it can be adjusted to a lower setting so they can shoot turk ammo more safely.

Just a few years ago the hakims suddenly became available because there was a few accidents with them. While they called it an out of battery firing it really wasn't.  After i inspected my hakim very closely i found out that there is a little lever that will only let the gun fire when the bolt is fully closed.  To this day I swear they had the gas valve too far open and the bolt carrier pulled out the fired case while the breech pressure was still present. So the shooter got hot gases in the face thus they thought it was an out of battery firing the gun got a bad rap because the shooter/operator didn't adjust the gas valve to the ammo he was shooting.  And yes the design of this system can pull out the fired case that fast.

To adjust the Egyptian Hakim to need to first make sure the gas valve is free so it can be turned in either direction.  Once your sure its ok(free) take it apart and clean out the gas port and install the gas port screw with an anti-seize i like to use moly so it will remain free. This is part of the maintenance of the hakim to lube tyhe gas port screw.

If the gas port screw is stuck which many hakims have had you can free it up.  You can soak it with kroil for a few days to see if it will free up.  The last resort is using a propane torch just under the gas port housing lip do not over heat it just a little heat will do to loosen the gas port screw up.

Make sure you disassemble your hakim(egyptian guns) to get all the sand out.  I found sand inside the stocks and even the gas adjusting block too.  Make sure the egyptian guns are free of sand.

Now adjusting the gas system on your egyptian hakim;

Once the gas port is cleaned and the screw is lubed your ready to properly adjust it.

"AT THE RIFLE RANGE"

1. Turn the gas port screw all the way clockwise till it stops, thats fully closed, no gas will flow the gun won't cycle.

2. Now open it just one click counter clockwise.

3. Load one round at a time with the mag inplace.

4. Fire that round and watch how the hakim cycles, if it only half cycles and doesn't eject the empty case open the gas port screw one more notch counter clockwise and try one more round.

5. If the bolt carrier locks back(open breech last round fired) your setting maybe ok.  If not repeat number 4 again till the bolt carrier locks open last round fired.

6. Once its all set try just 2 rounds to see how it loads and cycles.  If it seems to be a tad sluggish/slow open the gas port screw one more notch and your good to go.

7. Then i would try a full mag once you know its set correctly.

I noticed on 6 of my hakims that 1 to 2 clicks open seems to be the norm, but you hakim may differ, i take nothing for granted, i adjust every hakim the sameway to besafe.

NOTE:  The Egyptian Hakim,  Russian SVT-40 and the Egyptian Rasheed all have similair adjustable gas systems and should be adjusted the same process.  You open the gas port screw a little at time until it functions/cycles properly.  The gas system adjusting screw adjusts how much gas the system gets to operate it on these guns.

On the FN49 its a totally different gas system.  The gas port is an exhaust port the more its open the less gas the system gets to operate thus the more its closed the more gas the system gets. So you want the port on the FN49 to be more open.  I start adjusting the FN49 with the port open and close it until the gun operates correctly.

The bottomline is "SAFETY" and "KNOWING YOUR GUN" and "HOW IT OPERATES" Besafe!!!!! 
If your not sure just ASK HERE!!!!  Trust me i don't know every gun either and i'm not afraid or ashamed to ask.  Besafe and enjoy these awesome guns.  S.Sumner seems to know about all the weird unheard of guns.

The egyptian hakim & egyptian rasheed & the swedish ljungman are all the same design except the ljungman has no gas adjustment.  I have heard of some adding a gas port adjustment to there ljungman too. Its just a set screw added infront of the gas block so it closes off the gas port with a jam nut.  The ljungman is very ammo finiky and probably the others would be too if they didn't have gas port adjustments.
Do not shoot the swedish M41b sniper or PMC ammo out of your ljungman its too hot.
The egyptian rasheed in 7,62x39 is suppose to be one of the sweetest shooters in 7,62x39 there is too.  We don't have much of a choice in 8mm semi auto's that are affordable.  I don't think there is any other semi auto's in 6,5x55mm swede too.

Some of the parts between these guns are interchangeable too.  There are hakim/ljungman parts that are available too.  These are unique looking guns and they will grow on you intime.

S.Sumner is correct again the german 8mm MG13 25rd mag can be converted to work in the hakim but its so dam heavy with 25rds.

[lgm270]

Bigbill:  Thanks for a great  post.  Very informative and useful. 

[1911crazy]

Don't get the gas systems mixed up between these rifles I think thats why there has been so many accidents in the past with both of them the Hakim and the FN49 years ago.  I purchased a hakim parts gun and after ordering a few parts from JB573 i got her working.  I also stock extra hakim parts.

[Sandy Flakeman]

I bought 3 of these for around $100 way back when.  Sold them for over $300 each.  Wish I still had them.  The recoil is pleasant due to the muzzle break which actually blows your hair back when you shoot.  Loud is an understatment.  It's the loudest rifle I've ever fired.  These rifles are monsters.  The 7.62x39 version of this rifle is called the Rashid.  Very few were made and I wish I still had one.
Be careful with the magazine latch as they are know to break very easy.

Another rifle that I feel has the potential to appreciate in price similar to the Hakim is the Swiss K-31.  These are drying up and they'll be no more very soon.  The K-31 has to be the highest quality surplus rifle ever offered for sale in the USA. 

[1911crazy]

Have you ever shot your Hakim and watched the grass infront of the shooting bench?  What a blast the grass gets from the muzzlebrake.  I have a ljungman and a rasheed but i'm too busy shootin the Hakim.