Choate replacement stocks??? -- They make a difference??

[broguearcher]

I see that a number of people use these replacement stocks.....   are they worth the $$ and most importantly......  DO THEY IMPROVE accuracy and/or consistency and HELP WITH the finicky nature of these guns regarding their resting point when being fired from a bench??

[poncaguy]

Yes, and help with recoil also, I have 4.

[darat100]

Wouldn't trade mine for anything.  Really cuts down on the felt recoil, and I think it makes me more accurate.  (And confidence is half the battle.)

[bearfat]

I would only like to comment on the stock for hunting and carrying it in the field. I'm using a 30-06 and a non-magnifying red dot scope in Northern MN (heavy brush/woods).

Compared to the original stock which was fiberglass there are pro's and con's. You can't beat how compact the original stock is. But I like the ability to pistol grip the Choate with one hand while stalking and moving a small branch or tree out of my face as I'm creeping along. Also for pulling the gun up into a tree stand the stock provides a solid tie off with rope and most important a straight upward pull avoiding clinking or snagging my steel tree climbing spikes.



 

[45/70fan]

Sorry for the hijack but I'm wondering about that red dot scope. It looks like what I want for my 45/70.

[bearfat]

Actually the one pictured is a Bushnell Trophy with 4 different reticles (lifetime warr) but I could not switch reticles without a major shift in bullet impact. I loved the tiny crosshair reticle it had and did drop Yogi to left with a head shot using it. I'll use the Bushnell on my 870 shotgun for turkeys and slugs but no more rifles.

I just replaced the Bushnell with an Aimpoint couple weeks ago (Swedish arn't they?). Was three times the cost and no lifetime warr. It is an older aimpoint I've had for about 10 years using one inch rings. I guess they only make them now in 30mm?

Anyway the one inch diameter Aimpoint sits even lower over the barrel than 30mm Bushnell pictured.

The red dot scopes (non-magnifying) can be fired with both eyes open if you practice. The brain will merge both images together into one. Sometime in really bright light I screw in my objective cap which I have painted black. Now I'm forced to use both eyes open and it works fine.

I believe some of the military ACOG scopes use this technique, all you see is a red dot on a black field period.  

Photo below shows the Aimpoint on a BLR. A red dot on a black target works very well, esp. the black donut blobs at sundown.

[Fred M]

The lesser recoil on the thumb hole type stocks like the Choate is not an illusion, but a fact.

Th reason is the way your right hand is holding the rifle. The rifle recoils against the palm of your hand. The weight of your hand and arm is added to the weight of the rifle, hence less recoil. The more weight the less recoil.

The Choate even though it is ugly, is easier on your shoulder.

[mogwai]

The lesser recoil on the thumb hole type stocks like the Choate is not an illusion, but a fact.

Th reason is the way your right hand is holding the rifle. The rifle recoils against the palm of your hand. The weight of your hand and arm is added to the weight of the rifle, hence less recoil. The more weight the less recoil.

The Choate even though it is ugly, is easier on your shoulder.

Fred,
Are you using a varmint buttstock or survivor?  I can't find info on length of pull.  Are the Choates shorter than the original stock?

[Cookiemann]

So, Fred, what you are saying:  All other things being equal...load, barrel length, caliber...using a pistol grip, thumbhole stock, such as a Survivor, Varmit or Tamer, there will be less "Felt Recoil"   AT THE SHOULDER because the hand, wrist and forearm absorb some of the recoil.
Am I understanding you correctly??

cookiemann

[Swampman]

Wouldn't the weight of a wooden buttstock count for something?  I know plastic does soak up some recoil because it flexes.

[Cookiemann]

swampman, That is what I always thought, too.  I have looked at the Tamer stocks and really like the ability to have 3 or 4 shells stored there...I just was worried that it would greatly increase the recoil when used on a 12ga.  I know stimplu says he can 'One Hand' his 20ga.  I have garden snakes as compared to his PYTHONS. LOL

cookie

[Fred M]

mogwai and cookieman.
Sorry, but I don't have any of these stocks. I only commented because of the recoil reduction. I have a long range 280AI custom target rifle with an HS Precision Thumbhole stock that greatly reduces recoil. Besides adding the weight of your hand and forarm to the rifle. Your palm will also provide a second recoil pad.

Of cours stock weight will add or reduce recoil. Some of the tactical stocks weigh as much as 6 lbs or more. Stocks and barrel are mostly used to tame recoil by adding weight or reduce the weight of the whole system.

The best way to reduce recoil is to use a smaller case with less powder and put a lighter bullet where it counts. Aka my 6x47 and 257 Roberts Handi's, 30BR, 6ppc, 17HMR, etc.


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So, Fred, what you are saying:  All other things being equal...load, barrel length, caliber...using a pistol grip, thumbhole stock, such as a Survivor, Varmit or Tamer, there will be less "Felt Recoil"   AT THE SHOULDER because the hand, wrist and forearm absorb some of the recoil.
Am I understanding you correctly??

Yes that is about it, you are understanding it correctly

[Cookiemann]

Thanks Fred and swampman!  I always wondered about that.  I guess, to be sure, I will just have to get a set of Tamer stocks in 12ga and see for myself.  If I don't like them, I am sure they will sell on the Classifieds with little problems.

cookiemann