Thanks just wanted to ask first. The comparison between the 17 and a 22 mag would be great. To be fair try to pick the fastest 22 mag you can just to see what a difference there is in trajectory. I think the CCI V+ is supposed to be 2250 or there abouts. Also the Remington ( Premier or is it premium) VMAX 33 grain bullet would be interesting as it is the same type of bullet as the 17 so it might be the logical pick. Jim keep me posted as what you are going to try. The Remington stuff is about as pricey as the 17 stuff it is about 12 bucks a box I have no idea waht the CCI cost. Jim