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and wich is best for a person with lg hands and I want to use this as a CCw . thanks again you all have a great board .

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Re: can someone tell me what the dif is between a 229 and 226
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2010, 03:56:04 PM »
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Re: can someone tell me what the dif is between a 229 and 226
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2010, 10:37:40 AM »
P229 is about a 1/2 inch shorter (slide & grip,) then the P226. Also the slide on a P229 is thicker. That being said the P229 is easier to carry CCW.

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Re: can someone tell me what the dif is between a 229 and 226
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2010, 10:55:22 AM »
I have one of each in 9mm.
About the same.  The P226 will hold more ammo. (unless you are in a state like mine that limits all new guns to 10 round mags)
The P229 has a heavier slide and hides all recoil.
With the P-226 I would load three in the mag and load a Corbon +P round then top off the mag with what I started with for carry.
I was younger then and thought, well never mind, in ROTC they showed us a similar trick with a tracer.  When you see the tracer pop out you know you have 3 rounds left in the Mag and either tack load or finish out the mag.
With my 226 I could tell the diff in the +P loads.  For giggles I tried it in the 229 and could not tell, all felt like a 32 rather than a 9.
I think My 226 has more holster options and is easier to hid then the slightly smaller P229 that is a little chunkier with the big rubber grips.
Do you want it in 9, 357 Sig or 40 S&W?

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Re: can someone tell me what the dif is between a 229 and 226
« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2010, 02:26:46 PM »
I am looking at a 40 or 357 in it.

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Re: can someone tell me what the dif is between a 229 and 226
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2010, 02:40:41 PM »
Personally I think I would go 40 out of the two.  Well you know mine are in 9mm.  When I bought my 226 it only came that way.
But of the two I would give the nod to the 40.
Ammo is easier to find and cheaper.
More bang for the buck.  
I have a Sig Pro 2340 in 40.  Wanted a 357 Sig but the price on the 40 was too good and figured I would get a 357 barrel later they were only $100 at the time.  Still have not gotten one.  I turned off the idea when I saw a freind make really expensive brass by shooting 357 through the 40 barrel and at matches I have seen the other where they tried to stuff 40 into the 357 sig barrel. 
Instead I have been sinking $ into going to shooting events with the gun and ammo (factory and reloads) rather than spare stuff for the gun.  If you are going to carry it use it often in matches like IDPA.  1- they are fun and 2 - they build stress and make you think about the shots.  The guys at my old club hated to see me srtappin on one of my sigs.  It ment the best they could do was 2nd.   :D  
As far as stopping power I think they are all the same give a % here or there, between the major calibers.  But that is for a different thread and has been and will be discussed till the end of time.

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Re: can someone tell me what the dif is between a 229 and 226
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2010, 03:34:06 AM »
Jumping in on the caliber options. My gun is issued in 357 sig. Great round, great record. But a hot 9mm round will do the same thing. 40 S&W isn't bad either. If you get ahold of a comparison chart by Winchester, Federal, or Speer you will see penetration and expansion test on all these calibers with quality ammo and wonder why there is such debate on calibers. I would go with whatever is cheaper and available in you area. Good luck!

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Re: can someone tell me what the dif is between a 229 and 226
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2010, 05:25:37 PM »
According to test results from a Texas DPS test the .357 Sig is far superior in accuracy to the 9 mm and .40.  They had excellent results out to 100 yards with the .357.  This, along with penetration test results led them to adapt the gun as the service sidearm, it even had an impact on some of the  old Texas Rangers who mostly packed a 1911, many of them are packing the Sig in .357 today.

I have the Sig  226 in 9mm and the 229 with both the .357 and 40 barrels,  Both are good guns, but push come to shove………..I go with the .357. ::)

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Re: can someone tell me what the dif is between a 229 and 226
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2010, 06:51:50 AM »
P226, P229, P2022, & P250 tech specs:
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P226
Item Number   E26R-9B-BSS-E2-G
  Caliber   9mm, .40S&W, .357SIG
  Action Type   DA/SA
  Trigger Pull DA   10.0 lbs
  Trigger Pull SA   4.4 lbs
  Overall Length   7.70 in
  Overall Height   5.5 in
  Overall Width   1.5 in
  Barrel Length   4.4 in
  Sight Radius   6.3 in
  Weight w/Mag   34.0 oz
  Mag Capacity   15 Rounds (9mm), 10 or 13 rounds (.40S&W .357SIG)

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P229
 Item Number   E29R-9-BSS-E2-G
  Caliber   9mm, .40S&W, .357SIG
  Action Type   DA/SA
  Trigger Pull DA   10.0 lbs
  Trigger Pull SA   4.4 lbs
  Overall Length   7.1 in
  Overall Height   5.4 in
  Overall Width   1.5 in
  Barrel Length   3.9 in
  Sight Radius   5.7 in
  Weight w/Mag   32.0 oz
  Mag Capacity   15 rounds (9mm), 10 or 12 rounds (.40S&W .357SIG)

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P2022
 Caliber   9mm, .357SIG, .40S&W
  Action Type   DA/SA
  Trigger Pull DA   10.0 lbs
  Trigger Pull SA   4.4 lbs
  Overall Length   7.4 in
  Overall Height   5.7 in
  Overall Width   1.4 in
  Barrel Length   3.9 in
  Sight Radius   5.7 in
  Weight w/Mag   30.2 oz
  Mag Capacity   10 or 15 Rounds (9mm), 10 or 12 rounds (.40S&W .357SIG)

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P250
  Caliber   9mm, .40S&W, .357SIG, .45ACP
  Action Type   DAO
  Trigger Pull DA   5.5 - 6.5 lbs
  Trigger Pull SA   N/A
  Overall Length   7.2 in
  Overall Height   5.1 in
  Overall Width   1.3 in (Std. Grip)
  Barrel Length   3.9 in
  Sight Radius   5.8 in
  Weight w/ Mag   25.1 oz / 26.9 oz
  Magazine Capacity 9mm   15 Rounds (9mm) 13 Rounds (.357SIG - .40S&W) 9 Rounds (.45ACP)



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Re: can someone tell me what the dif is between a 229 and 226
« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2010, 07:02:15 AM »
The P226 is a full size "duty gun".

The P229 is a mid to compact size "concealed carry gun".

Kinda like a 1911 and a Commander; ...
the numbers alone don't really explain the difference in the carrying, handling, and shooting.
They really are more different than the tech specs would suggest.

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Re: can someone tell me what the dif is between a 229 and 226
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2010, 09:07:10 AM »
Mag capacities for SIGs [especially P226] are very "fluid".
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SIG has offered a number of very high capacity mags in / with "special edition" pistols.
For example. the P226 "Tactical Operations" pistols [amongst others] come with 4) 20 [9mm] or 4) 15 [40, 357] round mags.
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Re: can someone tell me what the dif is between a 229 and 226
« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2010, 10:14:00 AM »
wasn't the 229 made to meet a mil. spec. ? so they could be used in under cover role ?
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Re: can someone tell me what the dif is between a 229 and 226
« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2010, 12:57:14 PM »
wasn't the 229 made to meet a mil. spec. ? so they could be used in under cover role ?
Not that I know of.
The P226 with tritium sights was adopted by the army as the M10 for the MP's
The P228 a chopped and bobbed version of the P226 was adopted by the army as the M11 and is issued to the CID guys
The P229 was made to develope the 357 Sig round that they wanted to really soup up and made the guns here out of a stainless slide to handle the omph.
They later adopted the P229 to 40 and later again made it a 9mm.  The making of it as 9mm ended the P228.
Now most of the US government agencies carry the P229

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Re: can someone tell me what the dif is between a 229 and 226
« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2010, 02:14:28 PM »
M9 to P229


P226

"The P226 was designed for entry into the XM9 [JSSAP] Service Pistol Trials, which were held by the US Army in 1984 on behalf of the US armed forces to find a replacement for the M1911A1. Only the Beretta 92F and the SIG P226 satisfactorily completed the trials. According to a GAO report, Beretta was awarded the M9 contract for the 92F due to better durability during endurance testing and a lower total package price. The P226 cost less per pistol than the 92F, but SIG's package price with magazines and spare parts was higher than Beretta's. The Navy SEALs, however, chose to adopt the P226 later after a repetition of failures with some issued Beretta M9s."

Beretta won because they had a plant in Maryland able to immediately tool up and make the pistols (important because the plant was on US home soil). Also, the Beretta was the better choice because it had been in production since 1975 and was a more fully developed design at the time than the P226.

The first prototypes of the P226 were made in 1980, and the initial guns were little more than the earlier P220 pistol adapted to use a double-column magazine [one of the prototypes actually used the Beretta 92 magazine].

Back then, Browning Arms imported P220s and sold them as Browning BDAs.

Because SIG-Sauer did not have a US importer, they entered into a deal with Saco Defense, Inc. of Maine to supply the pistols used in the US military testing.
They were substantially different in design from later guns.  The frame for example had completely straight rails - guns after that had frame rails that were bulked up with scallop cuts in the rails to relieve stress.  This was done because it was found during testing that the frame rails on the XM9 test guns cracked, and even after the redesigns they continued cracking until the metallurgy was improved.


Later, the military came up with another pistol requirement [mil spec] for General Officers, pilots, females with small hands, etc., etc.

P228 (M11)

A compact version of the P226, the P228, in use with the US military, is designated as the M11. The P228 has a shorter slide and barrel than the P226. Unlike the P226, the P228 is available only in 9x19mm Parabellum issued with a 13 round magazine, but can also use P226 15 or 20 round magazines.

P229

The P229 differs from the P226 in several respects, and was originally introduced to supplement and then replace the P228 by adding the .357 SIG and .40 S&W as available chamberings.

The P226 and P228 were originally manufactured using a stamped-steel slide on an aluminum alloy frame.

The P229's new CNC-milled stainless steel slide, typically colored black with a Nitron finish [from the new milling and stainless production capabilities found in the new U.S. SIG factory] was introduced to handle the higher slide velocities created by the .357 SIG and .40 S&W loads

The slide on the P226 was later redesigned in a similar fashion, and civilian sales of the P228 were discontinued in early 2005 because the P229 can be chambered in 9mm, .40 S&W or .357 SIG.

Changing between .40 S&W and .357 SIG is as simple as switching out the barrel.
Magazines shipped with .357 SIG models have a "necked" throat that will accept only that caliber.
Magazines shipped with .40 S&W models will accept either caliber.
The 9mm model cannot be converted to another caliber.

Seems to me that the P229 may have originally been developed in response to a federal solicitation for pistols for "Sky Marshals".
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Re: can someone tell me what the dif is between a 229 and 226
« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2010, 02:44:51 AM »
Were not Browning BDA's 380 ? At least the one I shot was , a copy of a Bretta 85 which could be had in single or double stack mag ?
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Re: can someone tell me what the dif is between a 229 and 226
« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2010, 12:33:11 PM »
BDA

There are two excellent pistols that Browning has called the BDA. Neither was made by Browning itself.

Both of these models were high quality factory runs by major firms, sold to Browning by lot, and marketed under the Browning label.

One model BDA was a full sized semi-auto produced by Sauer, based on their 220 model, and chambered in .45, and 9mm.

The other BDA, was a medium/small frame auto, made by Beretta, based upon their M-84, and chambered in 380acp [9mm Kurtz, 9mm corto, etc., etc.].

Both models are double action automatics, hence, were called “Browning Double Actions” to distinguish them from the Browning Single Action, the P35.

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Re: can someone tell me what the dif is between a 229 and 226
« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2010, 02:25:04 AM »
Yep i looked also , Did the 229 have the first SS slide ?
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Re: can someone tell me what the dif is between a 229 and 226
« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2010, 06:49:30 AM »
Yep i looked also , Did the 229 have the first SS slide ?
First Sig gun with a SS slide - I think the P230 Stainless came out a year or three earlier in the late 80's .
First gun to have a stainless steel I think was the Walther PP series and have been in Stainless since the 70's
First stainless handgun was the Model 60 by S&W and they came out with Semi Autos in the early 70's in Stainless beating Sig by 20+ years.

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Re: can someone tell me what the dif is between a 229 and 226
« Reply #18 on: July 01, 2010, 08:01:00 AM »
I was talking between 229 and 226 . I remember something about it . I had 2-226 and 1 -229 . Shot un in IDPA but they just have the bbl to high above the grip for me .
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Re: can someone tell me what the dif is between a 229 and 226
« Reply #19 on: July 02, 2010, 04:33:43 PM »
Actually, the SIG stainless steel slide was available in the P226 just before the P229. 

SIG started selling P226s with slides machined from stainless steel bar stock because the Texas DPS wanted them in 357 SIG.

These slides are much stronger but they also have more mass [required for the 357 SIG] so the gun feels top heavy except with a stainless steel frame ... [ P226 SL or Sport II ].
The slide was made in the new U.S. SIG factory, while the frame was made in Germany.

Shortly thereafter, the P229's new CNC-milled stainless steel slide, typically colored black with a Nitron finish [from the new milling and stainless production capabilities found in the new U.S.A. SIG factory] was introduced to handle the higher slide velocities created by the .357 SIG and .40 S&W loads.

When they first became available, I bought a P229 in 357SIG with a 40cal barrel; and fell in love with both the P229 and the 357SIG.

Today, the P226 is a fine pistol, but it did have its’ share of teething problems.
The P229 benefitted greatly from the learning curve blazed by its’ father, the P226; and its’ grandfather, the P220.

They really are very different pistols.

The P226 is a full size "duty gun"; especially in the "special edition" pistols.
For example, the P226 "Tactical Operations" pistols [amongst others] come with 4) 20 [9mm] or 4) 15 [40, 357] round mags.

The P229 is a mid to compact size "concealed carry gun".

Kinda like a 1911 and a Commander; ...
 ... the numbers alone don't really explain the difference in the carrying, handling, and shooting.
They really are much more different than the tech specs would suggest.

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Re: can someone tell me what the dif is between a 229 and 226
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