Does anybody but me think these are the cutting edge of Traditional muzzleloadin' tech? They have shotgun style butt plates rather than that silly "cresent" thingy. The barrels are generally aroung 28" or so, and they have patent breeches that really work, and usable sights. The only production examples I can find are made by Petersoli, and even theirs ain't exact replicas, usually havin' too much barrel length. Kentucky rifles are actually made for shootin' from behind a tree, whilst standin' on yore hind legs. And the examples of Plains rifles don't much look like their namesake Hawkens.