1895 marlin 4570 ported pros & cons ?????

[burntmuch]

hEY GUYS I found a 1895 marlin 4570 today at a gun shop. with a xs mount & burris 2x7 handgun scope. I can get the gun for $450.  My only concern. its ported. Whats the pros & cons of the porting. Any & all opinions are welcome

[McLernon]

Noise

Mc

[burntmuch]

How much noise. Uncomftable to shoot?

[Rev Buck]

Pros: less felt recoil, faster target acquisition for a follow-up shot;
Cons: they do make some serious noise.  The other guys on the range with you can feel the concussion.  On a hunt it won't matter but if you shoot a lot you will notice.
That doesn't sound like a bad price if wood and metal are in good shape.  Hope this helps.  Rev

[Coyote Hunter]

Noise and danger to other shooters, both their ears and eyes.

The noise is awful but adequate hearing protection can help.  Hope you have your protection in when you're out hunting and standing by a boulder or steep slope and let one fly.  Haven't done the slope thing with a .45-70 but did with a .357 and did permanent damage to my left ear (the one by the slope).

Several times I have been hit by particles ejected from ported barrels.  One day at the range I called a cease fire because I was getting hit every time the Marlin .45-70 owner took a shot.  I was wearing glasses and was getting hit on the neck and cheek.  I was two benches away, maybe three. 

A good recoil pad and/or a slip-on pad works wonders.

[Lloyd Smale]

had one and and sold it. didnt like the noise. Im a firm believer that muzzle blast is more detrimental to accurate shooting then recoil is.

[Cottonwood]

Contact

MFC
100 KENNA DRIVE
NORTH HAVEN, CT 06473
PHONE: 800-544-8892

And find out, they may still have the barrel swap-out program which will give you an unported barrel for your ported one.  They may now charge a fee, I don't know, but I highly recomend swapping out from the ported barrel.

[RicMic]

I will never own a ported gun of any kind.  A passing fad now, ports only worked good on a 50BMG (by directing some of the pressure backwards).  I say a gun should have just one hole at the end of the barrel.

[oso45-70]

burntmuch

I had four marlin 45-70s one with a ported BBL now i have three 1895s not ported, Way too much noise. I hunting and shooting buddy complained all the time about the ported bbl so i got rid of it. Best to pass on that one in my opinion.........Joe...........

[njanear]

Call me crazy but...  I don't mind the ports.  Sure, if you are going to be shooting at a crowded rifle range, you aren't going to make any friends if you aren't considerate to others (I won't pull out my M1895G if I can't put a few tables between me and the other guys; even then, I let them know to wear their ear muffs as it will get a little louder under the shelter).  As for muzzle blast, the ports aren't directing the blast back to you, so they don't directly increase noise for the shooter as some make it out to be; it will direct noise out to the side though, so if you are in tight quarters (i.e. thick area, in a valley, under shelter at the range,  etc.), you will get some extra echoing coming back to you (or if someone is to the immediate left or right of the muzzle, it will sound EXTREMELY loud to them).  As for debris coming out of the ports, I can't speak to that as I haven't seen any issues arise from that yet.  I have experienced discomfort from residue coming from the cylinder/barrel gap of revolvers (both large and small bore), so I would expect it does happen to some degree.  Of course, you would have to be somewhat on line with the muzzle ports to experience that, I would think. 

For me, the reduction in muzzle climb allows me to cycle back on target quicker.  I have never had the opportunity to shoot mine against a non-ported version to say that recoil reduction is a big point for me either (of course, to lengthen my stock for me, I put a slip-on limbsaver in place, so recoil is further reduced anyways).  And my biggest PRO - it was the only one around that I could find at the time (3 years ago) AND was only $419 OTD (try to touch a new one for that now - back then, that was still some $30 less than Wally World was charging). 

And as for your find - $450 for a M1895G with a XS mount and Burris pistol scope?  I would be on that deal in a heartbeat.  If you honestly tried that rifle (without being dissuaded by all of the Internet postings)  and then decided yourself that you didn't like the ports, then you could get Marlin to rebarrel it or sell it off to someone who likes the ports and still be ahead (I have not found a used M1895 or M1895G around here <Georgia> for less than $400 yet, and that's without any accessories on them).

FWIW... YMMV...  And my T/C Contender Super 16 .45/70 is ported too - that one DOES make a difference in muzzle climb 

[swampthing]

Good thing about a 45-70 is you don't need a lot of velocity to get the job done. In my .444 guide gun I use trailboss powder and unique with 280g hardcast bullets for 1200 and 1400fps. It is quieter, much quiter, than 20" non ported 30-30's with factory ammo. 

[Aardvark]

 If you want to change out the barrel as I do on mine...I went to Numrich website.They are selling the 1895S 22" 45-70 barrel for $45...I called Marlin, they will install it for $100...I am sending mine off soon to be done...I wonder if that means I will have the only 1895S straight grip in town?...Hmm...

[burntmuch]

I bought it today. Couldnt resist. Im gonna give this barreel a go. If I dont like it, Marlin Will rebarrel it for 130 plus shipping  I figured with the xs sights & xs mount & burris scope, I was getting A descent buy. I may end up selling the mount & scope. I kinda like the peep sight thats on it.  I got the whole thing for 450 out the door

[Swampman]

That's a good deal on a nice gun.  I'm glad mine isn't ported.

[burntmuch]

yeah the ports may end up being a nuisance i deal with for a year, then get it rebarreled

[Mac11700]

A passing fad now, ports only worked good on a 50BMG

Nope...your quite wrong in this case...The ports do a great job of reducing the muzzle climb...and reducing the felt recoil...especially with the stock Marlin recoil pad...And Coyote hunter is 100% correct about shooting them on a slope...and the blast hurting your ears...The first 45-70 Marlin I owned was the Stainless ported Guide Gun...It was and still is a great shooter...I also got a non-ported version the next year...along with a 26" Cowboy...These are much more easier on the ears...but kick a ton harder...and shooting it off the bench with my 2300fps Nosler Partition loads...is a handful...just to keep it in the bags...not so with the ported one...It really is nice to shoot off the bench...but everyone around hates it...just like the do any other ported gun...My XLR handles great as compared to them..and is even easier to shoot...due to a better pad..better fitting stocks...so...you do have options if & when you change it out...If your not shooting a open benched ranges..or along side boulders or on steep slopes...it will work very good for you...At least mine did for me..

Enjoy your new 45-70...just be careful of the loudness of it...not only to yourself...but those around you...and you do just fine..

mac

[K.K]

Just a freindly piece of advice....Please wear eye protection and have others around you do the same. I was cut just under the eye from flying shrapnel (probably a shard of bullet jacket) from a guy shooting at a deer. I was well behind and to the left of him. It was not an unsafe shot, just a cheap lesson.  We both love our Guide Guns in .450. They are thumpers!  Nice gun

[RicMic]

A passing fad now, ports only worked good on a 50BMG

Nope...your quite wrong in this case...The ports do a great job of reducing the muzzle climb...and reducing the felt recoil...At least mine did for me..

I suppose it matters most to whoever is doing the shooting, I never noticed any difference in the rifles I shot with them.  Some have said it pulled the gun forward, others said ported guns kicked harder (I believe the louder report made it seem that way to them).  I guess there is some reduction in lift/jump if the ports are facing upwards, like on most handguns but, I don't buy to much into the reduced recoil aspect, not the rifles I shot (to include 444 and 45-70 versions of Marlins great leverguns).  The first rifle I saw/shot with a brake was '84, a Sako 75 in .270 WIN.  The only thing I can remember to this day was how it sounded - WOW!  I believe that if brakes/ports were truly useful, the masses would have adopted them years ago, like say - the scope.