Thanks, people on the rimfire forum say the 33's have awsome expansion, but poor penetration, not good medicine for yotes, gonna work up combo's in the jhp and psp 40's You've talked me into a savage, thanks! I already own a 110L .270, but if I keep it, I've gotta have it properly bedded, the shot string is awful! can't even keep the third shot on paper. I have to loosen up the fore end screw to get even that!