....ok, thanks tim, I saw them on the web page listing under the accessory barrel order program but was not sure if they actuallly had them or if it was just an oversight on their part to not hav removed them from the list.....have a decent local gunsmith who is rechambering 44 mags to 445 supermag and i figure i will have him rechamber a 357 to 357 maximum.....i am not partial to much recoil despite my rather hefty stature (6'0" tall 240lbs) I prefer my 30-30 to my 45-70 and think the 357 max and 38-55 target will fill the bill nicely..........