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Offline The Sodbuster

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.223 Rem & Magnum primers
« on: December 17, 2006, 04:25:10 AM »
My Speer reloading manual suggests CCI magnum primers for use with some powders in the .223 Remington.  I tried this recently, working up some loads with AA2520 powder and 50 grain spitzer bullets.  Worked some up with CCI400 primers and prepared identical loads with CCI450 primers (the manual recommended mag primers for this powder).

At the range I saw no difference in accuracy between 400 and 450 primers, nor any signs of high pressure with either.  I don't have a chrony, so I can't say much about velocity.  Does anyone out there use magnum primers for some .223 loads?

By the way, I was using Federal cases.

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Re: .223 Rem & Magnum primers
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2006, 04:43:47 AM »
I have never used a magnum primer for any .223 load. I have tested CCI 400, WSR, and Remington Bench Rest primers to the best of my abilities and settled on the BR primers. I have no scientific data to back up my reasoning other than my groups seemed to be a little more consistently smaller. Looking in my reloading records, the difference was very little. As far as needing magnum primers for certain powders, I have yet to encounter this issue.
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Re: .223 Rem & Magnum primers
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2006, 05:25:42 AM »
I'm like Bigjeepman.  Everytime someone comes up with a bright idea, I'm off to the store, but I've tried the several different primers and couldn't see any significant difference. Even between BR and standard primers, but then, I'm not that good of a shot. 
I now use mag primers for belted cases only. 

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Re: .223 Rem & Magnum primers
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2006, 05:57:18 AM »

The CCI 450 is all I use in my 223 Rem and in my 221 Rem Fireball!
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Re: .223 Rem & Magnum primers
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2006, 08:45:30 AM »
Well I discovered the reason back in '74.  I had just got my first Oehler Chronograph for Christmas and in short order I was heading to the range.  In NE oregon that year there was 1 - 2 feet of snow at the range (LaGrande Rifle and Pistol Club) and the temperature was hovering around 10 degrees.  I had a new M700V in .223 and some loads worked up with Hornady 55 gr SX and Sierra 50 gr Blitz bullets.  I was interested in which would be the best load accross the chronograph and for use hunting coyotes in the winter.  Several loading manuals speak of using magnum primers with ball powders becuase the deterant on the ball powders make them harder to ignite, particularly in cold weather. I had worked the loads up while living in the milder climate of the Willamette Valley before moving to the harsher climate of NE Oregon.  I was using CCI 400 primers and CCI BR primers with H4895, old BLC-2, H335 and BR748.  All the loads were 1/2 MOA capable. With the H4895 I would get two or three "click - bangs" out of a five shot string and over 200 fps variation.  With the ball powders I not only got the "click - bang" but a horrendus muzzle flash also. Accuracy went to vetrical strings of 2-3 MOA. I went home and bought some CCI 450s, loaded up some more of the same loads and headed back to the range the next day. Conditions were pretty much the same. A loads shot 1/2 to MOA and extreme spread of the shot strings was under 50 fps.  In warmer weather (up to 110 degrees) the magnum primers do give better internal ballistics when ball powders are used.  It may not show at 100 yards but at 200+ yards the more consistant the load the more accurate.The magnum primers obviously make the difference with ball powders.  I have continued to used magnum primers (CCI 450s, WSRs and Federals) with great success in all my .223 loads since that cold wintery day.

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Re: .223 Rem & Magnum primers
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2006, 06:51:53 PM »
I've loaded and shot several thousand 223 shells, mostly with ball powders but some Varget as well, I've never used magnum primers in any loads, I don't shoot in extremely cold conditions though.  ;D
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