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Offline Shoreline Trapper

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« on: November 27, 2004, 02:35:00 PM »
Im looking for a Air gun for my buissness. (Nuisance Wildlife Control)
It would be used for pigon clean ups etc.
Im thinking up to $500 with out the scope.
*Must be very acurate
* 20 or 22 caliber and *side cock for the inherint accuracy. Also could use a recomondation for the optics as well.
Thanks for any input!!
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« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2004, 03:27:46 PM »
Up to $500 includes a very wide range of guns. How far will you be shooting? Any chance of inadvertantly hitting another animal or poking holes in unwanted places if a pellet goes in an unintended direction for some distance? Is noise an issue?
For close range work the Beeman R-7 is good, as is the Webley Stingray/Xocet carbine. Both are top notch rifles with excellent accuracy, with power in the 12 ft/lb range.  For longer ranges and more power, take a look at the HW77, R-9 and R-1. Those 3 are about the most popular adult air rifles going, and have power and accuracy to spare. On the quiet side are the Air Arms guns with shrouded barrels. The TX200 is a great rifle, but is real close to the $500 mark. There are many others, take a look at some of the dealer sites for prices and availability.
Theres no real advantage to the side-lever or under lever system as far as accuracy goes. Any of the better break barrel guns mentioned can shoot just as well as the side levers. Mostly these guns are far more accurate than the typical shooter is, so whether one gun is better than the other is really dependent on whos doing the shooting, not the gun.
Some of the side lever and under lever guns can be dangerous also. The ones that are loaded by sticking your fingers inside the breech to push a pellet into the barrel have been known to remove said fingers when the sear or trigger trips accidently and the breech closes at the wrong moment.
For optics, you won't do better than the Leupold 3-9x33EFR AO scope. At about $270 it's about the best value out there. Make sure you get good mounts too. Stay away from the B-Square adjustables and the RWS C-mounts. They are far to fiddly and don't hold up well on high power spring guns. Get something like the Beeman 5039 one-piece adjustable mount and you won't have any problems. Its a simple straight-forward no fiddling type thats easy to set up and won't ever move once its set.

Where in CT are you? I'm in Cheshire.



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« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2004, 04:24:40 PM »
Dave, Thanks for the quick information.
I think a lot of use would be on the longer range side. (30-100 feet possibly). It would be used more for outdoor bird control.
I would like it quite if possible.
Another animal would not be a concern because if it was that close I wouldn't take the shot unless it was a target species. It may see use indoors on rare ocassions so I guess if I miss, I could hit the sheet rock but don't see that as a major issue. I think the noise factor could be as I tend to operate in residential situations.  I think some noise is a given and acceptable.
Im a leupold fan , but didn't know they made a airgun scope. Best scope made for the $$$
I'll remember the advice on the mounts. I like to think the mounts and optics are more important than the gun.
Im in Clinton.
Do we have any dealers in CT? I saw Cubettas come up in a search as having airguns.
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« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2004, 05:05:29 PM »
Not a whole lot in the way of dealers here. Cubetas has some but not a wide selection. They did have a TX200 a couple weeks ago though, and a few other decent guns.
30-100 ft (10-35 yards) is not really a long range for some of the higher power guns. The R-1 and the like can easily whack a bird or squirrel at 50 yards or more. Indoor shooting at pests with something with that kind of power is a guaranteed hole in the wall or ceiling. At 10 yards a .22 pellet at 700+ fps will go through a squirrel, through a wall or 2 and possibly a roof.  For close-up indoor work something like the Benjamin HB22 pistol would be good.



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« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2004, 03:49:08 AM »
You read my mind , I was wanting a pistol for indoor. It really isn't ness. to have a rifle indoor except a big box store or something like that. The rifle Would bought be for outdoor use so the more power the better.
I was at bemans site last nite. Checking out the R1 R9 etc.
I'll let you know what I get.
Thanks again Dave!   :-)
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« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2004, 05:06:51 AM »
It sounds like like one of the lower end precharged rifles, with a shrouded barrel would be perfect.  Look for a second hand Webley Venom Viper (comes with factory shrouded barrel) or maybe an AA S-200 and have an airgunsmith add a shroud.  I believe one of the Airforce offerings (Talon or Condor) can be had with a factory shroud, also.

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« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2004, 06:08:00 AM »
PCPs are fine, but the problem here is just the gun will be close to $500, plus 2 or 3 hundred more for filling accessories- tank, fill yoke, extra fill fittings etc- add to that a decent scope and you've easily reached the thousand dollar mark, way more than the $500 limit originally indicated.



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« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2004, 10:01:47 AM »
Thanks for the idea oops. I don't think I'd be intrested in a used gun.OR the idea of all that extra assc. Id like to  keep it simple.
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« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2004, 10:52:42 AM »
Shoreline Trapper

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Im looking for a Air gun for my buissness. (Nuisance Wildlife Control)
It would be used for pigon clean ups etc.
Im thinking up to $500 with out the scope.
*Must be very acurate
* 20 or 22 caliber and *side cock for the inherint accuracy. Also could use a recomondation for the optics as well.


Here are a few that should fit your needs.  A side cocker or under-lever are good choices for accuracy as these two types are known for their accuracy.

1.]  Diana RWS 46 by RWS .22 - $344.99 from Pyramyd Air

2.]  Diana RWS 48 & 52 by RWS .22 - $365.85 to $399.99 from Pyramyd Air

3.]  HW77 by Weihrauch .22 - $435.00 from Pyramyd Air(Excellent choice this one.  Long noted for their accuracy.  Comes with a  "Rekord" match trigger.)  http://www.pyramydair.com/cgi-bin/model.pl?model_id=34

4.]   HW97K by Weihrauch .22 - $460.00 from Pyramyd Air(Excellent choice this one.  Long noted for their accuracy.  Comes with a  "Rekord" match trigger.  This one would be my pick.) http://www.pyramydair.com/cgi-bin/model.pl?model_id=41

5.]  TX200 MkIII by Air Arms .22 - $479.00 from Pyramyd Air

These are just five of the rifles that fit your want.  The main reason I picked these as they are noted for their field target & silhouette shooting history.  As with any "springer" rifle make sur the scope you choose will stand up to the double recoil of springer rifles.  Forget Tasco, Simmons Pro-Air as they have a record of not holding up under the recoil of the above rifles.  One last point is the more powerful the air rifle the louder it is.  Lawdog
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« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2004, 12:54:50 PM »
Thank you Law Dog for the excellent advice. Im impressed with the HW77 and 97. Being left handed, I question if the cheeck piece is on both sides of the stock? I found their website but could not tell even there if it was and they make no mention of right or left hand models.
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« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2004, 03:25:54 PM »
Here are some great deals on airguns.  This guy is helping a store owner clear out his inventory from his closed up shop.  I am dying to buy an R1 but my spring gun shooting days are over from an injury.

The R1 will do everything you ask it too and then some!  I have 2 HW-97'S as well as a TX200.  I like the 97's better.  I also have an R-9, less expensive than an R1 but VERY accurate and will compete right up there with the 97.  Your only limitation is the scope size since its a break barrel but I use a Simmons 44mag with Target turrets and have won a few matches with that set up.

I'd jump on one of Ken's R1's in .20 or .177.

http://kenandjudy.us/Airguns/AirgunPictures/RiflesforSale/index.htm

Good luck,

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« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2004, 04:53:40 PM »
Thanks Billy. A lot of the same guns keep coming up. This is good as Im getting a good idea of whats quality and worth researching.
BTW, I found a link to all the manufactures home pages. Im sure most of you have seen this , but if you haven't, it's a good way to research all the guns mentioned.
http://www.airguns.net/links.html#manufactures
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« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2004, 05:34:29 PM »
Theres a couple NIB .177 R-10s on that link. Thats one hell of a rifle. They are new old stock, probably on the order of 10 years old.  I have an R-10 Deluxe in .177(just like the ones in the pictures), and with 10.5gr Crosman Premier heavy pellets its not only a tack driver at just about any range but its a great hunter. It launches the CPHs at well into the mid 800s, and it'll handle even something as large as a gopher. It's a great shooter out of the box, and even better with a JM Tarantula FP kit in it.




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« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2004, 07:06:40 AM »
LawDog,

I am SHOCKED! NO Tech-Force recommendations?! :)
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« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2004, 08:09:14 AM »
Shoreline Trapper:

Since your ranges are so close and damage to your clients' equipment and building may be an issue, check into the RWS 46 underlever springer. Mine is .177 and is very effective. .22 is available and has been reviewed to be excellent in barns so that no damage occurs to things other than the pests.  It would not be a good choice for bigger animals because of the relatively low velocity. Mine came with an adequate 4x scope and mounts, and cost about $350 (for the "E" as in Economy model.)  When there is no wind, it's a tack driver. Everything I've shot with it has died instantly, except for one crow at 40 yards that needed a second shot.
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« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2004, 09:57:45 AM »
VictorLouis,

I know.   :-D   The reason I didn't stick in any Tech Force rifles is that 'Shoreline Trapper' stated;
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Im thinking up to $500 with out the scope.
*Must be very acurate
* 20 or 22 caliber and *side cock for the inherint accuracy. Also could use a recomondation for the optics as well.

so I try to fit what the person is asking for.  If he had stated his price limit was $200.00 than I would have went with the Tech Force line as they would fit the bill.  He stated he wanted a side cocker due to it's "inherent accuracy", which is true.  I only add the under-levers because of their popularity with the field target & silhouette shooters due to their noted fixed barrel accuracy.  I am not saying that barrel breakers such as the Beeman R-1, etc. are not accurate, because they are.  He didn’t ask for barrel breakers.  I didn’t include the .177 or .25 caliber’s because he asked about .20 or .22.  I just try to answer with what the person asked about.  Lawdog
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« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2004, 01:17:27 PM »
Just bustin' on ya'! It seems as though you do own stock in Compasseco sometimes. :-)
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« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2004, 06:21:31 PM »
Thanks again everyone. Im looking at all the ones mentioned before I lay down the green.
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« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2004, 05:47:50 AM »
VictorLouis,

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Just bustin' on ya'! It seems as though you do own stock in Compasseco sometimes.[/b]

I know you were.   :-D   I do get carried away sometimes but usually it's because someone wants to know about a low cost air rifle and I try to give them what they are asking for.  The Tech Force line from Compasseco is not the same Tech Force line you buy from other dealers.  Other dealers do not have access to the Jim MacCari springs that Compasseco does.  I just try to keep the record straight when some say all Chinese air guns are not worth the money.  Lawdog
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« Reply #19 on: November 30, 2004, 12:09:15 PM »
Personally, I think what you need is the one shown at the top of the following link (http://www.network54.com/Forum/170154?it=34). It's a Crosman 600, with a "bulk" CO2 tank, laser spotter, etc.; developed by "Mr. Bulk" in Hawaii and used a lot for shooting rats. Maybe some other readers here have further pic's/specs on this gun and Mr. Bulks rat-shooting exploits; his postings were popular on the old Airgun Forum a few years back. Anyway, looks like fun.

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« Reply #20 on: December 31, 2006, 02:41:48 PM »
LOL, Hows this for a follow up?  Over two years later,  I  come across this post. Forgot about it....
I ended up with a R9 and the Leupold Air gun scope from Straightshooters.
Great , great gun... A little on the powerful side for inside work but that just gives me reason to shop for a R7 now.....lol
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« Reply #21 on: January 01, 2007, 08:24:01 AM »
Happy New Year all,
   Thought I'd put on some flame retardant skivvies and recommend a CFX from Gamo.  Can be had in .22 is very, very accurate.  Inexpensive as well. 

Yikes.

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« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2007, 04:04:45 PM »
Shoreline...that r9 ya got....what cal was it?