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Problems w/165 Rems in my 30-06 Springfield
« on: January 08, 2007, 12:00:49 PM »
I cannot find a decent, accurate load using 165 Rems in my 30-06 Springfield..and have I been trying !! I am using IMR 4064. 165 Sierras shoot great but not the Rems. Anybody loading a similar round? OR..should I just throw the Rems in the garbage? ANY help is appreciated.

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Re: Problems w/165 Rems in my 30-06 Springfield
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2007, 12:54:57 PM »
I never got them to shoot real well in my rifles either.Always had great luck using 165gr hornady sp,or 165 nosler partitions using 57grs IMR 4350.Using IMR4064 at 48gs was almost as good.
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Re: Problems w/165 Rems in my 30-06 Springfield
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2007, 01:19:02 PM »
To quote myself, “My favorite deer load in the 30-06 is a 165-grain Hornady, Nosler, Remington C-L, or Speer pushed by 56 grains of H414.  This maybe a max load in some rifles.”

Some years back I spent a lot of time developing loads using 165-grain bullets for my 30-06.  I obtained accurate loads with the 165 grain Remington C-L.  The first was a case-stuffing load of H4831, and the other was the above H414 load.  I prefer the H414 because it produced higher velocity with  “slightly” less recoil.   There is nothing wrong with the 165 grain Remington C-L in the accuracy department.  Of course I would tell you different if you were my next-door neighbor.  I would volunteer to dispose of them for you.

Experience tells me safe loads that have a Load Density over 90% produce the best accuracy.  While IMR4064 is a good powder for the 30-06 at maximum the Load density is 85 or 86 percent.  It is a better powder if you are concerned about functioning in an autoloader, otherwise you will obtain better results with a slower burning powder.

I do have a question; does your rifle produce acceptable accuracy with some other load?  If so is it factory ammunition, or handloaded ammunition?

Is the problem the rifle, the scope, or some other factor?  A build up of copper in the bore? 

I have a 7MM Magnum that does terrible with factory ammunition from the big three manufactures.  I can load the same cases with H4831/AA8700/H870 and obtain very good accuracy with bulk factory bullets.  It is as true today as when I bought the rifle 25 years ago.  The scope was okay, the bedding was sound, but it needed the right loads.
 
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Re: Problems w/165 Rems in my 30-06 Springfield
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2007, 03:02:53 PM »
Siskiyou....Thanks for your reply....I have owned my 03A3 Springfield since 1964. It looks like the A4 sniper rifle.  Mostly stock except for a new Timney trigger and a new 3-9x40 Bushnell scope. I retired the old El paso K4. I just developed a load using 165gr Sierras and IMR 4064. I can put 3 rounds in a 3/8" group at 60 yards (my backyard). I have shot 165gr Winchester factory loads which are just about as accurate in my Springfield. I clean my rifle on a regular basis...use Sweets too. I would like to see a little more fps out of a load for this rifle, It does not seem that IMR 4064 will push these 165gr's faster and also be accurate at the same time. Powders on hand are....IMR3031...H335..BenchMark...
W748...and IMR 4064. My next purchase of powder will be IMR 4350. I am going pig hunting this coming weekend and I want to take my 30-06 and some of my handloads. Thanks for you help.         I appreciate your input.   

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Re: Problems w/165 Rems in my 30-06 Springfield
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2007, 03:26:20 PM »
I like your rifle.  IMR or H4350 is a step in the right direction.  A good load with the 4350 powders should give you between 92% and 98 percent load density.  H414 and WW760 are the ball powder answers to 4350.  The nice thing about the ball powder is that it is easy to work with from a powder measure, and it flows great into a case.

You should be able to gain at least 100 f.p.s. at a lower working pressure.
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Re: Problems w/165 Rems in my 30-06 Springfield
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2007, 04:10:00 PM »
have you adjusted the oal of the round.i would imagine the difference in ogive could affect bullet placement in the chamber.as long as your cartidge doesn't exceed the oal lenght your rifle will allow to feed,you have quite alot of play in length.just a thought,adker

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Re: Problems w/165 Rems in my 30-06 Springfield
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2007, 05:03:48 PM »
Along with many different powder load weights..Yes...I have tried many different OAL's with this bullet. I have not given up yet. I have just loaded a few more receipes and I will try them tomorrow after work. Thanks for your input.

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Re: Problems w/165 Rems in my 30-06 Springfield
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2007, 06:05:13 PM »
If a 30-06 won't shoot well using 57grs of 4350 behind any good 165gr bullet, sell the rifle and save yourself a lot of grief.  You may find a load for your particular rifle that is slightly better but that load has shot well in every 30-06 I've owned or loaded for.   ;D
To directly approach your prob, maybe your rifle just doesn't like Rem bullets.  And it seems you are shying away from Sierras (why??). So try Hornadys and Speers.  Unless you want a little extra feeling of self confidence, you don't need any sort of premium bullet to kill a deer with a 30-06.

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Re: Problems w/165 Rems in my 30-06 Springfield
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2007, 01:10:31 AM »
If a 30-06 won't shoot well using 57grs of 4350 behind any good 165gr bullet, sell the rifle and save yourself a lot of grief.  You may find a load for your particular rifle that is slightly better but that load has shot well in every 30-06 I've owned or loaded for.   ;D
To directly approach your prob, maybe your rifle just doesn't like Rem bullets.  And it seems you are shying away from Sierras (why??). So try Hornadys and Speers.  Unless you want a little extra feeling of self confidence, you don't need any sort of premium bullet to kill a deer with a 30-06.

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 57grs 4350 behind 165gr bullet is one of the first loads I try in any 30-06.It has been best load in many 06s I've owned or reloaded for.
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Re: Problems w/165 Rems in my 30-06 Springfield
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2007, 07:55:10 AM »
Beeman...I do like the Sierras...but I ran out of them. All I had left was a fresh box of 165 Rems, so I thought that I would try to load up some accurate rounds for pig hunting this weekend. Its very windy and cold (24F) here (in SE Wisconsin) this afternoon so I will have to postpone any target shooting til a warmer and less windy day. Thank you all for your input. I DO appreciate it.