50 cal ban in Idaho proposed!

[billy_56081]

  I'm not trying to be funny and I am not name calling. I just asked a question. I'm sure most of the "useful fools" of Stalins era did not know that they were being used also.

  Like I said before. I'm mainly a bow hunter. When the anti's come after your "sniper rifle". Should I support them as you are supporting them now? Whether you comprehend this simple matter or not YOU are helping the anti's.

 BTW I see that "SNIPER RIFLE" that you unsportingly shot that mule deer in the picture with. Won't be long till thats banned too.

[Cement Man]

Saying it is slob hunters that shoot up road signs isn't right unless you see them do it and they are indeed hunters.  They are slob/idiot-shooters - not necessarily hunters.  Hunters often get the rap wrongly and unknowing people associate the bad behavior with hunting.  Unfair!
I don't think that 1% of the people that rifle hunt could make a successful vital area shot under field conditions on game at 1,000 yards, no matter what equipment they used. Most shouldn't even think about it.  
Hunting and ethics should be inseparable.  There aren't always finite answers to relative questions.  In a free society ethics are (unfortunately) to some extent optional and relative, but responsibility is fundamental to liberty.
I don't buy the logic that if people are slobs with other cartridges than there is no reason to restrict anything. 50 wrongs don't make a right.  (No pun intended)
I don't think .50 BMG restrictions for hunting endanger .375's, .416's, and what not.  Nor does it have anything to do with .50 caliber muzzleloaders or .500 S &W's.
When I first became aware of the .50 BMG rifles I thought it was a great idea for safe target shooting at extreme distances - in the right (safe) environment.  Thought of getting one myself.  When I heard talk of banning them, I was against doing so.  I'm sure my hyper-restrictive state (Illinois) will want to, and I'm not for that.  But, I still do not support using it in the hunting fields as has been discussed here.
I agree that you give the "antis" an inch and they take a mile, and I see both sides of the issue.  I don't agree that these are "all or nothing" issues. Sometimes when you play it that way though, you lose it that way.
Ultimately everyone has to make up their own minds one way or another.   Too bad these things get so divisive on our side of the fence.

[billy_56081]

  Nonya when your anti allies pass the antigun law you are supporting. Will it still be legal to use a .416 Barret or a .408 cheytac? To fire at these animals under the same conditions as the .50 BMG? Or how about a .338 lapua? Or any of the ultra and Super mags?

  And no that .284 is very close to the sniper rifle in use in 7.62 nato by our soldiers at this time. In fact your "SNIPER RIFLE" you have in the picture is even more powerful than the army's sniper rifles.

[billy_56081]

  There my point was just made by you! You only want to BAN .50 BMG. Those other cartridges will do the same thing that .50 BMG cartridge does. Some even better.

 And I never called you an anti once. I called you an ally of the anti's. Won't be long and your allies will be taking your "SNIPER RIFLE". But ya know what I'll be there to defend you too. No matter what I think of there method of hunting. I will always take the hunters side oner the anti's. I have lots of opinions about gun hunting for deer. But you know what, I'll keep em to myself so I don't become a useful fool of the anti's.

 And BTW the military is still using the 7.62 Nato as a sniper round. I think many here can tell you whose facts are straight.

[SDS-GEN]

We do have restrictions on upper end caliber.  Try shooting something with an 8 bore while the game warden is standing next to you and you'll get nailed for it.  It hasn't effected anyone's ability to hunt with a 10ga.

This issue got me thinking and I dug out my Illinois Hunter Education Student Manual, and turned to page 4, chapter 1.
Words to learn from this chapter:
Code of Ethics: Rules based on respect for what is safe and fair.

Responsible:Answering for your actions and knowing the difference between right and wrong.  As hunters are responsible for how their actions effect wildlife , landowners, other hunters and themselves.

Sportsmen or Sportswomen:Hunters who obey all the written and unwrittenrules and regulations.  Hunters involved in the total hunting experience.

Code of Ethics(some here need to pay special attention to this part)
1.I will consider myself an invited guest of landowners, and get permission before using their land.
2.I will obey rules of safe firearm handling and encourage others to do so.
3.I will obey game laws and regulations and insist that my companions do so as well.
4.I will aquire good marksmanship and hunting skills to ensure clean, sportsman-like kills.
5.I will support conservation efforts to ensure hunting in future years.
6.I will help other hunters learn skills and attitudes necessary to allow them to become true sportsmen.

From page 7.
Responsible hunters:
-Practice safe hunting.
-Know their actions show concern for other hunters..
-Respect the environment.
-Have a duty to police their own ranks.
-Report wildlife violations.

On page 9 (still in chapter 1)
Society ranks improper behavior as the single most negative aspect of hunters and hunting.  Some hunters have to be the first or best, or always get the most game.  This is not good sportsmanship and can be unsafe.

That is a whole lot about ethics, it's what is being taught to new hunters.  If you think it has nothing to do with the way people hunt its time for you to take a hunter education course

[billy_56081]

   One last question on this subject on this subject. Then I'm done. What group is more likley to support this ban/regulation? PETA or the NRA?

  And again. The 7.62 Nato is still the standard Anti personel round for U.S. military personel.

[billy_56081]

So PETA will support it. Point made!

As for my opinion. I don't like opinionated people. So not to be a useful fool to the anti's and a hypocryt I'll keep it to myself.

As I said I'm done with this subject. Have a good day.

[Redhawk1]

As for that frangible bullet,why would you use that on an animal?

I think you need to do some research on your own, I do if I have a question. It only takes a few minuets of your time. The Internet is a wonderful tool.
But to answer your question, to prevent pass through's, there is not a lot of bullets made for the 50 BMG designed for hunting. I can only remember one soft point bullet and then there is the frangible.
It would be like using a tracer round in a 308 or a FMJ in a 308 for hunting, one in some states it is illegal and second not a good choice. The 50 BMG was not designed to hunt with and before you say it should not be used, the 30-06, 308 and other rounds were not designed for hunting either, but hunters adopted them and adapted them for hunting.

[Redhawk1]

a frangible would cut down on the danger of the bullet traveling to another target but its not the kind of bullet you want to use on a game animal,i know what a frangible is,the local swat team uses them for home "invasion" arrests."explosive" type projectiles are illegal for use on game here i dont know if a frang qualifys as exsplosive or not.

And the reason they use them is?? Bingo you got it, to prevent pass through.  Like I said there is not a big selection of bullets to use in a 50 BMG for hunting, so either the newer soft point bullet or frangible would be the logical choice, and if frangible bullets are illegal to use the choice would have to be a soft point bullet, but there is a good chance of pass through. Early on when the 50 BMG was first used the frangible was about the only choice.

Well from all the post's here, I don't think anyone is going to budge on there stance. I don't think I could add anything further to this thread without repeating myself again and again. I don't see a point of discussing this any further.

[swampthing]

I can see it now. Some body takes a "target practice shot" at an animal when there is a hunter on the ground "hunting." Hunter goes to source of noise, sees some immitation sniper, hunter tells the wannabe you almost shot me, immatator says, "ahh, well, I guess I didn't see you there," hunter makes the wannabe 37lbs heavier with the aide of some Bore Butter.
The End. 

[Redhawk1]

I think we had enough.