What proud parents we are!! On a family ranch in Colorado--no guide-just us parents-small 600 acre ranch--surrounded by national forest on two sides-2nd season youth hunt-snow was the deciding factor-it came and so did the elk passing through--one shot-240 yards---I HAVE ONE TIP THAT REALLY HELPED--she used a shooting pad--a pad that is worn over the shooting shoulder to protect with recoil--she always was nervous shooting the 270 Winchester--but not now!!! She never felt a thing!! Look in the Cabela's catalog or other hunting catalogs--SAVED THE DAY.