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Sabot Casting?
« on: January 31, 2007, 05:47:02 PM »
I am new here so forgive me for any dumb ?'s I would like to start casting bullets for my muzzle loader. I don't want to cast full bore lubed bullets or gas capped bullets because they don't perform well in my rifle. So I have been shooting .44/240's and .44/300's in my .50. They perform great and now I'd like to make them so where do I start? I would like to find out where to get a mold that has a smooth .44 with a bevel on the bottom for the sabots and all the molds I've seen on websites are groved bullets. Do they make molds for sabot bullets similar to buffalo brand bullets? Any help would be great. Thanks Chad

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Re: Sabot Casting?
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2007, 05:54:36 PM »
So I checked out your site Veral and saw the muzzle loader molds. I have a CVA optima .50 and am interested in info. on your molds. Thanks Chad

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Re: Sabot Casting?
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2007, 04:29:50 PM »
Send a sample of the sabot you like best along with a mold order, and let me make a smooth sided LFN with small bevel base which will have a bearing length that just fills your sabot.  It will drive tacks if anything will.

About any ol bullet can be loaded into sabots, but we are dealing with a layer of plastic for bearing between bullet and barrel.  Best guidence will be obtained if the bullet is smooth and has enough bevel on the base to fit whatever radius your preferred sabots have at the bottom of the bullet pocket.  The reason for filling the sabot fins with bullet bearing is to obtain maximum bearing surface wiith minimum weight overhanging the fins, which can cause, or allow the bullet to lean off center with the bore a little, and spread them out at the target.

Al Marion of Boise Idaho did a very extensive artical about sabots a few years ago, when the concept was first born.  We did a lot of development work to learn what it takes to get results.  The above delivers accuracy and maximum punch.  Al sent samples to quite a few people he knew who hunted a lot, for the purpose of getting kill reports. There were a lot of them, all in one season, on animals to moose, big bears and bison.  Almost all the animals dropped in their tracks or at most walked only a few steps after the hit.  --  Lewis and Clark would have fared better with this type load than their roundballs!
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Re: Sabot Casting?
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2007, 06:07:09 PM »
Thank you Mr. Smith, I use a hornady .44/300 HP/XTP. The performance has been nothing but the best out of them. They are fairly inexpensive and work well in my cheap CVA smoke pole. But there is something about making your own bullets that adds a whole new demension to hunting to me.

Like I said before, I have yet to cast or reload and from what I gather you offer the best molds. I will be more than happy to send you a bullet with the sabot.

Will the price be the same for this custom mold?

Thank You, Chad Teague

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Re: Sabot Casting?
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2007, 02:08:53 PM »
  Yes the price will be the same for the "custom" mold.

But it really isn't custom because I cut every mold to customer specs. 

You'll love to eat the game you kill with non expanding cast, and especially if you cut up your own meat.  There is very little blood shot and wasted meat.  Hollow points can kill very well in the velocity range you are working with, but the meat will be far more bloodshot.

  I wish hunters could see the meat cutter throwing what could have been choice table fare into the garbage can because they use bullets which are too distructive.  The meat cutter will rarely tell his customer, but simply says thank you for the business.  I happened into a local butcher shop last fall during hunting season, and was appalled when I saw that many of the deer and elk had over half the meat ruined  by bullets which were too destructive.  Because the animal didn't go down the hunter popped it till it fell, hitting at all angles and poor places, because he was shooting at an alarmed and probably fast moving animal!

  When hit once with a bullet that delivers a DV of 100 to 130, there won't be time to take a second shot unless you shoot him laying down!
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