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Offline jwisecarver

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Need help with 45-70
« on: February 13, 2007, 04:54:40 AM »
I am buying a H&R Buffalo classic with the 32" Barrel. This is my first 45-70, I reload for all my pistols and rifles everything from 9mm Luger to 300 Weatherby. My Question is in my reloading manuals they show 3 seperate listings. One for Trap Door, one for Marlin Lever Action and Ruger #1, Where does the H&R Buffalo classic fall? And would appreciate any Info.
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Re: Need help with 45-70
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2007, 05:01:55 AM »
They will handle the heavy loads. But don't know if your shoulder will. Most shooters are limited by recoil, not action strength.
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Re: Need help with 45-70
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2007, 05:17:10 AM »

You can shoot the Marlin loads in it no problem, and the lower Ruger #1 loads also, but it will beat you to death with them. I shoot black powder in my Buffalo Classic, it works great and you can shoot all day and not get tired of it.

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Re: Need help with 45-70
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2007, 05:27:27 AM »
I have found that i give out at about top end lever action loads and the H&R says give me more , granted the action will take just about whatever you feed it , but sooner or later every firearm has a point were it is too much and the frame will start to streach or the lug will get wore to the point that the action will get loose .

I have a fealing you will give in to it first though .  ;D

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Re: Need help with 45-70
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2007, 12:18:05 PM »
You won't believe this but I called my local gunshop where I have bought several guns from in the past to see if they had a buffalo classic in 45-70 because others I have talked to said they were hard to find. My friend said he had one that another guy had ordered but the deal fell through. I went down to the shop and scarfed it up. My wife said I was nuts because we are having a snow storm here in St.Louis but went any way. Now I am a new proud poppa of a 45-70 Buffal Classic. might have to wait a day or two to shoot it though, can't see that far with the blowing snow. LOL

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Re: Need help with 45-70
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2007, 12:58:39 PM »
Congradulations! I had to wait 2 months for my Handi 45-70 ... but well worth the wait.
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Re: Need help with 45-70
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2007, 01:03:16 PM »
As stated above, the recoil will probably beat you to death before you hit the limits of the gun.   I shoot some really stout 250-300gr loads in both, my Handi and my BC.  I'm not as sensative to recoil as some people, but once in get into mid Ruger #1 territory I start saying ouch and checking for hickey type marks on my shoulder.
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Re: Need help with 45-70
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2007, 03:16:16 PM »
Guess I don't see the recoil problem w/ the 45/70, unless your really jacking up the load.
About the same a .300 wsm or .35 whelen.
http://www.chuckhawks.com/recoil_table.htm
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Re: Need help with 45-70
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2007, 03:36:17 PM »
Quote from: hunter63 on February 13, 2007, 03:16:16 PM
Guess I don't see the recoil problem w/ the 45/70, unless your really jacking up the load.
About the same a .300 wsm or .35 whelen.
http://www.chuckhawks.com/recoil_table.htm

That's cuz those are trapdoor loads, the lowest level of the 3 load levels, step up to levergun loads, and you'll notice a recoil problem in an unmodified Handi/BC, I guarantee it! That's why most folks stick to the trapdoor levels, they enjoy shooting too much!!  ;D

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Re: Need help with 45-70
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2007, 03:39:16 PM »


jwisecarver:

Did you get that over at Denny Dennis's SG..in Fenton?

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Re: Need help with 45-70
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2007, 05:26:21 PM »
Hunter63

Given the choice between Ruger level loads in a Handi or 3" 12ga. slugs , i take the slugs on most days . ( OUCH )  ;D

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Re: Need help with 45-70
« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2007, 09:39:10 AM »
No I picked it up at Dunn's in Pevely. Are you located close to Fenton? I live just south of 141 on old 21.
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Re: Need help with 45-70
« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2007, 09:44:50 AM »
Quote from: knight0334 on February 13, 2007, 01:03:16 PM
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   I shoot some really stout 250-300gr loads in both, my Handi and my BC. 

SNIP

Do you mind sharing your loads for 250 grain bullets? Those are what I intend to shoot.

Thanks,

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Re: Need help with 45-70
« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2007, 04:47:57 PM »
My experience with the BC and handi is this. You shoot Marlin and low #1 type loads, your gun is going to shoot loose and accuracy is going to pot after a couple hundred rounds.  I am not the only person that has experienced this. In extreme cases, guns have popped open at the shot. I have been informed that the gun needs to go back to the manufacturer for repair if this happens and they (the manufacturer) will make it good. Luckily I have not gotten to this point, but some of my friends have.
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