Author Topic: Give Jim another chance (Read 1484 times)

MontanaVet · « **on:** February 21, 2007, 06:35:30 PM »

I personally own 3 AR's, 3 AK's, and 3 SKS's. My most favorite rifles for now are in 45/70. I also own 23 various hunting rifles and shotguns.

I am reading all this about Jim Zumbo and now Ted Nugent and I have to say what in the world. Jim is a hunter and has always been a hunter. Maybe he spends too much time in the woods and not much time on the worldwide web. He is still a great hunter.

Now some of you are calling Ted Nugent a danger to the Second Amendment. Give me a break. The Second Amendment is about the right to keep and bear arms, not hunting. Ted is a great friend to gun owners. He does hate crybabies though.

It seems you guys are a product of the TV news generation that run like sheep from fear of what may happen. Get over it. The Dem's know if they pass another ban they will not be in power for long.

And last, but not least, get off of Ted's a$$ and give Jim another chance. My grandpa had a name for the way some of you are acting and it started with a "p".

That's my .02 cents and I will not make another comment. MV out!

NONYA · « **Reply #1 on:** February 21, 2007, 07:18:39 PM »

I shared my feelings(and my Dumbo pic) with Ted Nugent,this was his response to my thoughts.
"I too was blown away by the insane mis-statements by Zumbo. However, I refuse to remain blown away but rather gather myself up & use this as the Spotlight on our shooting industry/community's gross lack of sophistication on this American freedom life & death issue. Now that Jim has been educated he has apologized & apparently dedicated himself to educating the other misinformed dolts in our shootworld. Dont let kneejerk anger fog a clear op to flush out the cockroaches amongst us. It is a much better use of this moment than simply staying angry at Zumbo. He is now our ally. Use this for further UPGRADE!! Plz."
Nuge
Im Teds "spirit-wild backstrap blood brother" from the bigsky but i think hes being too forgiving,just my opinion.Ted is one of our most outspoken and active 2nd amendment voices,Im sure he will be able to use the situation to educate the ignorant about how prevelant ar type rifles ar in todays hunting/shooting world and that they are not "terrorist" guns by an means.The last time terrorists attacked our country they used BOX CUTTERS,not ars!

alsaqr · « **Reply #2 on:** February 22, 2007, 02:52:07 AM »

No, i will not give Dumbo another chance. That guy just called you and every other owner of a high capacity semi-automatic rifle a "terrorist." Outdoor Life has a long record of liberal "gun" and "hunting" writers who are pro-Brady and anti-"assault rifle." About every two years some idiot "writer" from Outdoor Life and Field And Scream bashes owners of guns that do not meet their liberal definition of a "hunting rifle."

Personally, i could care less if Zumbo is forced to pump gas and live under a highway overpass.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #3 on:** February 22, 2007, 03:19:38 AM »

I don't think we should give anyone a second chance that speaks out agents any form of ban, weather it is for hunting or gun ownership. In my book, once a turn coat always a turn coat.

carbineman · « **Reply #4 on:** February 22, 2007, 04:28:24 AM »

Being a little wrong is like being a little pregnant. The thing that gets me is that Zumbo of all people should know better. He is not one bit sorry about what he wrote, he is sorry that he was called on it. What type of turn around did he have? Did he check into rehab and then suddenly emerge a born again black rifle guy?

His apology he inflamed me more than with the original article. Tired? Tired? I have always been pro freedom and not once in my life when sheer exhaustion hit me did I think that someone elses freedoms and rights should be abolished. A mistake? A mistake is when you are bone tired and ask the waitress for sugar when you meant eqaul or splenda. In my opinion his apology was more lame than his original hoorah for me and screw everyone else article.

No Zumbogate will not go away and the sponcors know that also. He hosed the sponcors bigtime and now he has the whole anti-gun community beating a path to his door. Make no mistake about it, Zumbo's new friends will be a lot more harsh in the end than what his old friends were. Here is a guy who had the world by the rearend and just could not keep his mouth shut.

Life is not a box of Chocolates, it is more like a jar of jalopenos, what you do today could burn your a$$ tomrrow.

35Rem · « **Reply #5 on:** February 22, 2007, 06:08:47 AM »

One thing people don't seem to understand about the second ammendment is that it is there to protect us from enemies, foreign and Domestic. (Edit: lets keep in mind that it was written when our enemy was Domestic, we were after all at war with England)
The Dems/Libs would love for us to NOT be able to defend ourselves against THEM, much less foreigners.

If we can't have weapons that can equal the military, the second ammendment is infringed. Period.
We are put at a HUGE disadvantage to others that have theses "assault weapons" and "sniper rifles" as standard issue equipment.

I.E. : "You can't protect yourself if our guns are better than yours. Do what I say, lawful or not." (Note: not a real quote)

Zumbo sees no use for individuals to have such guns? He's no friend of gun owners.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 22, 2007, 07:13:19 AM »

All this debate as sparked a renewed interest in the AR 15, I am working on acquiring one as we speak. I am not unfamiliar with the AR 15 or AK 47, I have owned both before.

MI VHNTR · « **Reply #7 on:** February 22, 2007, 10:29:20 AM »

I've got no use for dumbo and his half a**ed kerry type apology. Nor do I have any use for ANY type of anti-gunner that wants to see our use of guns restricted. The Second Amendment isn't about guns. It's about Freedom.

MI VHNTR
NRA Endowment Member

NONYA · « **Reply #8 on:** February 22, 2007, 10:43:36 AM »

Zumbo is posting on a thread on the Nuge board as we type,Nuge is moderating and there are about 1000 posts in 4 hours,most arnt cutting him any slack.The guy has lost almost all his sponsors and is considering retirement,i think he is planning an ar hunt with Ted though.

Couger · « **Reply #9 on:** February 22, 2007, 11:13:20 AM »

Montana Vet, ..... I think you are a mistaken. personal attack removed by Graybeard.

I have no patience for any "liberal" hand-wringing ..... boo hoo hoo ......

Zumbo's sponsors are cutting him adrift. He's reaping the benefits of his arrogant and poorly-timed comments.

I've known many people who've owned rifles like AK's, AR's, SKS's, etc. NONE of them are terrorists.

Never personally known a "terrorist."

Cabelas, Gerber Knives, and Remington have severed ties with Jimbo, or denounced his comments. OutdoorLife has let him go, whether actually firing him or acceptign his resignation ...... However, I still will maintain a lifelong boycott of ANY outdoorLife products for publishing Jimbo's comments.

I don't give a damn about Jimbo's opinion! He's aided and abetted the worst (and most traitorous) anti-gun members of congress, which they will beat us with FOR YEARS and YEARS! Are you obtuse, Montana Vet?

I will not miss Jimbo on the hunting/shooting blogs. Good riddance and good luck to him in his new vocation.

BTW, I'm also known as "Stubbleduck" at www.24hourcampfire.com.

Swampman · « **Reply #10 on:** February 23, 2007, 02:24:19 AM »

I wish people would support the rest of our Constitution like they do the 2nd Ammendment.

Gun owners will vote for democrats, but they want to kill Jim Zumbo....

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #11 on:** February 23, 2007, 09:34:50 AM »

Quote from: Swampman on February 23, 2007, 02:24:19 AM

I wish people would support the rest of our Constitution like they do the 2nd Ammendment.

Gun owners will vote for democrats, but they want to kill Jim Zumbo....

You are so right. I have seen people talk one way and vote another.

Couger · « **Reply #12 on:** February 25, 2007, 01:26:50 AM »

I think anyone who wants to give Mr. Zumbo or OutdoorLife, another chance ...... is a bloody fool!

Already Jimbo's words (and "faux paus") are being quoted / misquoted by the democrats, Sara's Brady bunch, and even the Wall Street Journal.

This isn't conjecture. This is all fact!

Who wants to bet Bill O'Rielly or the networks will eventually pick this up? Might take another month or so. Or when discussion of the new Assault Weapons Ban gets on the meedja's radar.

But who doesn't think Mr. Zumbo's "mistake" won't get national air time? Maybe dweebs like Tim Russert or Chris Mathews will have him on their shows?

If the New York Times picks up this story, look out!

Whether Zumbo should be tar and feathered I could care less. I certainly don't want him drawn and quartered. But I sure wouldn't mind if he [VERY] quietly walks off into the sunset-retirement of his life.

Good riddance Jim. You got "yours" and screw everyone else, including the 2nd Amendment and [Constitutionally-guaranteed] individual sovereignty.

I used to be (years ago) an avid subscriber to OutdoorLife, Field & Stream and Sports Afield. I slowly gave them up as more and more ads filled them up! OutdoorLife was the last one I hung onto, untill I finally cancelled that subscription because its articles were just "repeats."

But then I bought my first issue in years of OutdoorLife, less than four weks ago - for the articlke about the really vicious wolf attack where the bear houndmen lost several dogs. I wanted an "official" article to that story that was first on the Web, and has now been picked up in the magazines.

I was careful to make sure that OutdoorLife knows that that will be the last of thier products I ever buy.

It was their responsibility to NOT let Zumbo pour gasoline on the anti-gun fire, after he screwed up.

Swampman · « **Reply #13 on:** February 25, 2007, 01:34:11 AM »

Did we bring more attention to it than it might have gotten if we'd left it alone? I believe we did.

Mikey · « **Reply #14 on:** February 25, 2007, 02:12:07 AM »

Swampman - we brought the right kind of attention to it, that's why the dems, liberals and commies are squawking so loudly. Look at who is defending him - the wrong people. And they are squawking so loudly because we (the American sportsman) took exactly 2 seconds to lop his head off in response to his statement - that's what they are all so crazy about, that we would so horribly vilify one of our own so quickly.

Give him another chance - that's exactly what the anit-gunners want, division within the ranks and confusion at the helm.

No, he doesn't get another chance - you only get to bite the bullet once, and he's had his chaw. JMHO. Mikey.

Couger · « **Reply #15 on:** February 25, 2007, 08:11:23 AM »

Quote:

Did we bring more attention to it than it might have gotten if we'd left it alone? I believe we did.

Unquote.

Nahhh ...... Just more liberal hand-wringing!, eh swampman?

Ak.Hiker · « **Reply #16 on:** February 27, 2007, 05:37:08 PM »

I say give the man another chance. He has been an NRA member for over 40 years. He is a long time hunter and gun owner. I have always enjoyed his hunting stories. He made a statement that pissed a lot of gun owners off. He said he was sorry. What more do we want from him?

Swampman · « **Reply #17 on:** February 27, 2007, 11:53:01 PM »

We only hurt ourselves. We didn't accomplish anything beyond ruining a friend.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #18 on:** February 28, 2007, 02:24:17 AM »

Quote from: Ak.Hiker on February 27, 2007, 05:37:08 PM

I say give the man another chance. He has been an NRA member for over 40 years. He is a long time hunter and gun owner. I have always enjoyed his hunting stories. He made a statement that pissed a lot of gun owners off. He said he was sorry. What more do we want from him?

You would think after a being a 40 year NRA member he would of learned something, at least on what not to say. His so called apology was nothing but a bunch of excuses and a way to save face. But actually insulted our intelligent's. We knew what he was trying to do.
With all his experience in hunting, he says he never seen anyone with a AR or other gun much as an SKS or a few other is plain stupid. We all know that people have been using AR 15, SKS's and M1 guns for hunting.

Zumbo is a gun writer and should know all about hunting, not just what he thinks is right. He brags on how he hunts 200 day of the year, well on who's nickel does he do that??? Our's because the sponsors pay for them hunts he goes on. He is not in touch with reality.

You ask what more do want from him, that is easy, retire and go away.

dukkillr · « **Reply #19 on:** February 28, 2007, 04:58:36 AM »

I sure won't forgive him, after all doesn't the bible says something like, "thou shall not forgive the man who dislikes ugly guns..."

Of course I'm paraphrasing, I think it's Eph 4:31-32