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Offline oso lento

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« on: May 14, 2003, 12:14:41 PM »
I was reading again :lol:  about step downs. I don't even remember what it was in, but the step down set was 10" deep with the trap down in the hole. About 3/4 the way down in the hole, there was another hole into the side the first for the bait. I'm sure there are others out there. I have read a little about the triangle step down that trappnman talked about. I would like to know more can ya'll help me out?

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« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2003, 04:49:29 PM »
Bob Young showed what he called the bowl set in the Master Trapper tapes by NTA it was a dirt hole with a trap bedded in a bowl shape about 6-8" deep to the bottom of the bowl.


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« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2003, 02:19:34 AM »
These are the step-down  methods I have used and taught many students successfully for 50 years;

THE “OLD INDIAN” DIRT HOLE SET
The “Old Indian” set is an improvement over the commonly made dirt hole set. First, dig or chop out a trap bed the correct size for the trap being used. Make it deep enough that when the stake is driven or the grapple hook is placed in the hole and covered with one inch of soil, the trap will set one inch below the surroundings. Place the covering over the pan. Bed the trap solidly so it will not tip if the animal steps on the springs or jaws first. Always position the trap so the animal walks into it between, not over the jaws. The trap pan must be level. Selecting the finest soil, cover the trap with ¾ inch. Starting at the back edge of the trap bed and off center one to two inches to the left, dig a tunnel gradually deeper until it becomes a hole. The hole should be placed back of the trap pan six to eight inches for fox, and nine to eleven inches for coyote. The hole should be about four inches in diameter and at least eight inches deep, slanting back at a 45 degree angle so the animal must approach from the trap side to look into the hole. When the trap is covered the right depth, use more soil to build two ridges about two inches high. Start at the mouth of the hole and come back one foot just clearing each jaw with the ridges. Make another little soil pile just at the mouth of the hole so the animal must come in closer to peek into the hole. When completed the trap sets between the ridges, and just back of the little pile at the mouth of the hole. The two ridges and little pile of soil at the mouth act as guides. The trap is in the lowest place between the ridges and off center one or two inches to the right of the hole. Additional small weather-stained, natural looking branches may be used as guides on each side of the jaws. They must be firmly planted and pointing out from the jaws at a 45 degree angle. Place lure and urine as previously described. Place any excess soil, roots, stones, etc. on your kneeling pad to be carried from sight. Carefully examine the area and cover any signs of your having been there. All must look natural. Learn to make sets as quickly as possible to avoid leaving excess human scent at the set.

One can modify this same exact set by bedding the trap 2" or so lower than ground level so the animal must step down into the trap bed to see into the hole. I would call the conventional "Old Indian" set as a "step-between" set and when lowered 2" or more it becomes a true "step-down" set. I have used this set to harvest thousands of fox, coyote, bobcat and coon over the years, they are deadly sets that seldom miss! At most applications I use the conventional set with the hole dug into a backing such as a small hump or tiny bush. Where I find the advantage in lowering the trap bed to a true step-down is when no backings are available, such as out in a flat field. Once one has dug a deep trap bed, they now have created their own backing to dig a hole into at a 45 degree angle. The start of the hole entrance below ground level serves as a backing because now an animal would have much difficulty in seeing into the hole with out coming around to the trap side and stepping down into the depression. The hole being dug 45 degrees is important to me because the slant of the hole tells me where the animal's feet are going to be once they step between the sand ridges or down into the trap bed. If holes are too vertical, it is too easy for the animal to look into the hole from any position, from the side or back of the set. If holes are dug back too far horizontally, the animal has to crouch to see back into them. To me, it would take a sliderule to figure where the animals target right front foot might be if he were in a crouched position. Once I have taught the "Old Indian" method to many students, they all practically eliminated trap pan near misses.

Hope this is helpful! Ace

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« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2003, 05:03:32 AM »
I used Asa's Ol'indian set quite a lot this year and it is deadly.  The only problem I had was when we had a lot of rain.  The water tended to collect over the trap.
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« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2003, 09:28:56 AM »
The nice thing about stepdowns is as Asa says, they help eliminate most misses simply by theri design. I do like the traingle, thats for sure, but I have been alternating it with a sort of trench set that is a combo of Asa's set and the triangle. My soil is usually tilled or sandy- so rain really isn't too much of a problem.

To me on my line, Stepdowns are the my first choice in sod.
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« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2003, 11:00:45 AM »
As trappnman says, the design of a step down practically eliminates misses.  It is important to keep the step down depression no larger than necessary for the size trap used so the animal is almost certain to be stepping down right into the trap.  The conventional hole set made on level ground makes it too easy for an animal to see or dig into the hole from the side without ever getting near the trap pan.  If one attempts to use too many guide sticks to prevent coming in from the side, he may cause avoidance from adult animals.  Generally speaking, coyotes will not tolerate much crouding.  There are many designs for the step down and all are more effective than a standard hole set in my opinion.  I have never had the water build up problem in the type of sand that encompasses most of my locality.  When making sets in heavy clay areas, I haul in good sand in a bucket to make the set in.  Ace

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« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2003, 01:44:44 PM »
So Asa- tell me- do your coyotes seem to shy away from different colored dirt at the set? You mention bringing in sand, which would be lighter soil (I tihnk). I find my coyotes here really shy from color lines (and textures, truth be told)
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« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2003, 02:26:30 PM »
No trappnman, I can't say that different colored dirt ever caused an avoidance in my locality.  Of course in this country it is not unusual to dig down a few inches and come up with a different color sand so coyote are probably used to seeing it.  There is one area I trap where the surface sand is drap grey along with gray reindeer moss covering a lot of the terrian, but when one gets down about 8" the sand is as red as a cherry red fox.  These sets, red against grey stand out like a sore thumb but they are highly effective sets.  The eye appeal and visibility factor bring in animals from a long distance even when the wind is blowing the scent odor in the opposite direction.  Ace

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« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2003, 04:12:51 PM »
I guess thats just one of those things. If I bring in dry dirt, if it is different color, the coyotes shy from it. Only if I blend in big patterns or top dress is it effective.
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« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2003, 05:03:16 PM »
Man Tman sounds like your yote are a little shy.  If I run short of dry dirt that I store I go to the grainery and pick up play sand in a bag and I make sure that it is dried first and the yote seem to like it.


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« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2003, 01:47:06 AM »
One has to use common sense as to where they get their dry sand.  I've known trappers that loaded buckets of nice beach sand from Lake Michigan beaches and wondered why they were having a problem with set avoidance.  There would not likely be a spot of beach where the sand had not been contaminated by humans  in some way.  To be safe and sure, I always dig my dry dirt from under an embankment where the road was bulldozed through a hump in the land.  Ace