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pics of stocks msp ret did.
« on: March 15, 2007, 01:02:37 PM »
here they are and they look great thanks again msp ret.



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Re: pics of stocks msp ret did.
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2007, 01:12:44 PM »
Those look great MSP.  Do you cut off the pistol grip using a table saw or band saw?   Do you use some type of a jig to hold the stock level and at the proper angle or do you just free hand them?  I'm thinking about doing a bob job on my Topper stock and could use some tips. 
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Re: pics of stocks msp ret did.
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2007, 01:50:45 PM »
Killer you did great for your first time refinishing stocks buddy, they look great, and the straight stock looks much better than when you sent them to me as a pistol grip. The wood used in these stocks is quite hard and it takes stain differently than a softer wood does. How do you like the handling characteristics of the straight stock for a shotgun? They are said to be quicker to get on target and easier to follow a bird in flight with than a pistol grip stock...Also a question, the buttstock appears to be finished in 2 differents shades, did the stain take that way or is it just the shading or color in the picture?

Brett I used a slide saw, a compound chop saw with a traversing feature, sort of a compound chop saw and a radilal arm saw combined and on steriods. I remove the buttplate an place the butt flat against the fence with the cut set at at about 12.5 degrees,  however each buttstock is a bit different and the actual cut has to be set by eye, but 12.5 degrees is a good place to start. Before you make any cuts clamp the stock to the table with the butt pushed firmly and flatly against the fence and block each side of the stock with shims to prevent the stock from rocking, I use pieces of cedar house shingles for shims. After the initial cut to remove most of the downward projecting pistol grip the stock is still wider or thicker in that area, it looks swelled there. On my first few stocks I tried to remove some or most of that swelled area with the saw but have found that a palm sander with 80 grit paper is better at reducing the width to being more in line with the lines of the stock. Be carefull not to cut to close to where the reciever attaches or to where the buttplate is at the toe of the stock, better to remove not enough than to much!!!! again, BETTER TO REMOVE NOT ENOUGH THAN TO MUCH!!!. The final smoothingl just requires finer and finer paper and hand sanding, be very careful to not remove wood where it matches up to the buttplate, especially if you don't have the buttplate to reattach, if you have it you can use fine paper or a fine file to feather the fit of the buttplate to the stock with it on the gun....I use a combination of a citrus based paint stripper first, then followed by fine sandpaper to remove the factory finish. Good Luck and be very careful of your fingers when you make the cut, I block each side of the stock with a wooden shingle so it is perfectly flat on the table and solid with no visible rocking. Do not make the cut in one try, score the wood lightly first with the blade where you intend to cut it and check, only then should you start to remove the lower part of the stock in a couple pf passes, each a little deeper. Please be careful if you try this, the stock can move and I do not want anyone to lose any fingers....<><.... ;)
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Re: pics of stocks msp ret did.
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2007, 02:14:53 PM »
very nice work guys ...

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Those slide saws are really nice ... almost bought one last year ... I think you have put it to good use as I am one who does not care for the pistol grips too much.
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« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2007, 02:19:12 PM »
Andy is right on this. I preform this kind of cut almost daily. If you are not carefull and do not clamp it stable to where it can't move the blade will grab it and it happens so fast that if you are holding on to the stock it will pull your hand toward the blade. This is text book 101 saftey for this type of cut. I know people that did not even know they lost their fingers till they saw the blood. If you preform this type of cut please be carefull because this is about the most dangerous type of cut you can make. >:( Ps very nice work Andy.
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« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2007, 02:23:11 PM »
One other thing why is the stock white?
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« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2007, 03:30:59 PM »
Its white to make the blood stand out.That way you know you cut something, real quick like.  :o ;D :o

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« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2007, 04:54:16 PM »
 ;D It may be primed white because... it's headed for Stimpy garage?
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« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2007, 05:13:54 PM »
I am pretty sure killer did not prime it white after I sent it to him and then srtip off the white paint and stain it. What appears white is I believe just the reflection of the flash off the light colored sanded stock. If you notice, the stain color on the finished stock seems to have vertical line down the center of the buttstock in the picture as well as the unfinished buttstock appearing white. I am sure those are just the photos and how they look on the site. I reconfigured the buttstock and then stripped and sanded the buttstock and forearm and sent it back to killer for him to decide on what stain and finish he wanted. He has not done much of this work before and I think for his first effort at staining and finishing a stock it came out very well. I think he may have used an English Walnut stain on the stock. Of course if he ever does decide it is to mudane he could prime it white and do a "Stimpy" to it. And Stimpy, since your name has come up, I was wondering what a chrome plated stock might look like on a Handi?....<><.... ;D
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« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2007, 08:41:10 PM »
One other thing why is the stock white?

I know...I know...

So you can say...It's not done yet...it's in the white .....right?  :D :D :D
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« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2007, 09:03:08 PM »
........ I was wondering what a chrome plated stock might look like on a Handi?....<><.... ;D

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Re: pics of stocks msp ret did.
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2007, 01:38:28 AM »
Alcohol based stains can really make these "unknown wood" type stocks look nice.  They rarely look good using oil based stains.  Feibing's Leather Dye works really nice.