Ahab: me too. I think the Standard Poodle is a great dog and am thankful the AKC finally listed them in the working dog breeds as the retreivers they are.
Don Fischer: you are absolutely correct.
I have seen both of those new breeds, one an accident due to a roving Standard Poodle male and a lonely female Labrador - cute, but strange looking, friendly but a bit out of proportion. I have seen a couple fo goldendoodles and they too appear somewhat out of proportion next to a purebred Standard Poodle.
If you want a dog to retrieve and not shed, get a Standard Poodle and train it. I think all I remember dooing with mine was training them to 'drop' or 'give' what they had retreived, whether it was, ummmm, 'tasty' or not (lololol).........JMHO. Mikey.