quick,as you know, all these handis are different as far as pressure goes. The variances in the chambers and barrels leave those book figures somewhat irrelavent. Although they are a good guide to start from, each handi needs a book of its own when it comes to reloading for them. With the six or so 30-30 toppers and handis I have loaded for at one time or another, none of the loads were close to working in the others. That's the view from here.