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Survey: Which Remingtons will be discontinued first?
« on: April 09, 2007, 12:06:49 PM »
 Now that Remington is in the process of being sold, which models do you think will be discontinued?  Here is my take on things :

1. The Parker double barrel shotgun. Reason: Too expensive and too few buyers.

2. The Premier line will either be discontinued or manufacturing will be outsourced to a manufacturing plant in CHINA!!!!! Can't beat 60 Cent an hour wages.

3. The 105ci  shotgun will be made in CHINA.


4. The CDL and all Custom Shop guns will be discontinued. Reason: Too expensive and too few buyers.

What is left?  Average ordinary firearms that  most people will buy, but anyone looking for something really nice will have to look elsewhere.
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Re: Survey: Which Remingtons will be discontinued first?
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2007, 01:06:19 PM »
they plan on expanding the line not reducing it,anything that wasnt already making money is gone,they wont get rid of ANY profit making product.
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Re: Survey: Which Remingtons will be discontinued first?
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2007, 11:40:58 AM »
I agree that there will be outsourcing overseas, both Europe and Asia.

I also agree that the Custom Shop may be closed.

But I believe that the BDL will go before the CDL will.  If they both go, it will be in favor of the SPS.

I doubt if Remington will be coming out with the likes of E-TronX and Titanium again.  And some other off the wall stuff will never see the light of day.  Any of their special lines of rifles are also in danger of disappearing too I believe.

I hope Special Runs continue.   

Mostly I hope Remington comes out of this with good products.

I am grateful that I got my 673's before all this happened, because Remington will probably never come out with rifles like that again.



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Re: Survey: Which Remingtons will be discontinued first?
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2007, 06:05:53 PM »
they plan on expanding the line not reducing it,anything that wasnt already making money is gone,they wont get rid of ANY profit making product.

That's my hope.  Perhaps they'll chanber the 260 in something more affordable like an SPS, and in something worthy of its accuracy potential, like the VLS.

Remingtons are so dang popular but they keep restricting their line to less attractive combinations.  Hopefully this will change.
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Re: Survey: Which Remingtons will be discontinued first?
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2007, 03:52:25 AM »
Firearms manufacturer Remington Arms Co. has agreed to be acquired by New York private equity firm Cerberus Capital Management LP for $118 million, the company said.

Cerberus will assume Remington's $252 million debt in the deal, according to Remington. Its debt has been steadily growing since 2000, when it owed $157 million.


The debt load increased over 60 % in just 7 years !! A company that sells for less than half of it's current debt,  is not a good sign.


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Re: Survey: Which Remingtons will be discontinued first?
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2007, 03:53:16 AM »
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Re: Survey: Which Remingtons will be discontinued first?
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2007, 06:31:31 PM »
Remington has no real involvement with the Parker guns so the sale should have no impact on them one way or another. They are out sourced and so long as that company is allowed to use the Parker name they will continue to make them and sell them. They sell faster than they can be made.

The Premier line is imported now and that likely won't change. If they are selling and making a profit they will continue as is. If they are not selling or not making a profit they will be dropped and if a gun from China or anywhere else is substituted it will have a different name.

Remington sure poured a lot of dollars into that new 105ci to just dump it. But to my eyes it is UGLY. I much prefer the 1100 or 11-87. The new G3 1100 is a really nice gun and I sure like mine but don't really shoot it much as my shoulder really doesn't like 12 ga. recoil. The 870, 1100 and 11-87 will remain the mainstay of the Remington shotgun line up just as they have for years.

I have no clue how profitable the Custom Shop is but from what I've heard the prices of guns from there have about tripled recently and if that rumor is true I suspect it's not gonna sell enough to remain viable.

The new owners are gonna keep in the line those guns that sell and make a decent profit on investment. Those that don't will likely be dumped just as Remington has been doing in recent years. It wouldn't surprise me tho to see more imports in the Remington line up but then that's a trend already started before the sale.


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Re: Survey: Which Remingtons will be discontinued first?
« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2007, 07:55:43 PM »
I worked for a cable company in Missouri for 10 years,,,that was a distressed company and we were bought by an arm of Cerberus Group in 2002. They do indeed try to sell off the unprofitable units..and get back into the business of running a profitable business.  Management will be trimmed..and more folks will be utilized for their strengths.  I survived the cut...but the company did not.......we went from around 100,000 subscribers...to a mere 19,000 today .  All that could be sold ,was sold....the rest are the crap cable systems no one wants to buy....They'll hire a third party , to shake things up...and start taking inventory as to what can be sold..     It's all about money .  Guns may be completely different that cable systems...but in the end....it was about selling it off , and making money
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Re: Survey: Which Remingtons will be discontinued first?
« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2007, 09:20:12 PM »
I believe that Remington tried hard to listen to thier customers and produce the things that the customer wanted.  Whether the projections of sales were met after listening to those customers can now be assumed that the sales did not meet expectations.   I guess all of those SAM's and SAUM's
were not the answer, but at least those oddballs funded the SPS and CDL.

Since listening to the customer base only got Remington into more and more debt, and since cheaply made guns are most popular, Remington now has no choice but to listen to the Money Men just to survive.

Any good rifle needs a half decent barrel, the quality of materials for the rest can be lowered.  Savage proved that much.   Look for Remington to follow suit.

While $380 Million may seem like alot of money to you and me, if CCM didn't think it could make money on the transaction, CCM could have let Remington slip into Bankruptcy and let the Courts pick it apart. 

At least this way, the major Preferred Stockholders get their money out of it.   

What the Remington employees get is going to be another story.
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Re: Survey: Which Remingtons will be discontinued first?
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2007, 09:25:14 AM »
My view is that Remington has come so close to offering real winning guns but keeps throwing in some complication to keep their innovations from selling.

Exhibit A:  The 260 Rem.  A short action cartridge with incredible accuracy potential and mild recoil, with a flat trajectory and excellent penetration.  Yet they don't chamber it in the classic and accurate VLS or the affordable SPS.  It doesn't cost them more to make a 260 than a 30-06, so why not push their new round with an attractively priced rifle?  Or one that can make use of its accuracy potential and reduce recoil even more by its weight.

Exhibit B:  The Ultra Mags.  Magnum bolt face, good.  Full diameter to make the most of it, good.  Rebated rim, eh, ok.  375 H&H length - Lost us there.  They could have equaled the capacity of the Weatherby mag just by blowing out the case, and made something that would fit in a 30-06 length action and a wider range of reloading equipment.  Entirely narrows the market.  Now the 375 Ruger is heavily anticipated and many people are looking forward to getting one.

Exhibit C:  The 35 Whelen in a fast action repeater.  I don't know why they reintroduced it in the 750, which while loved by some is not loved by all, instead of the 7600, which more people agree is a desireable rifle.  Yes there was an '05 special run, but if it's that hard to sell a 7600 in 35 Whelen, how will the 750 do better?

Exhibit D:  Scout rifles.  Savage discontinued theirs, but Rugers are selling well, though their barrels are pretty short and muzzle blasts loud.  All it would take is a scout rail on the rear site and the Remington 7 or 700 could have a scout version.  Put it on the SPS DM and you'll have a very attractive simple and economical but well featured rifle.  This is one area where a little investment would give Remington a product without much competition.

Exhibit E:  The 770.  The 710 was accepted the way it was as much as it ever would be, now just sell them instead of investing more into the design in ways that don't overcome its limitations.

Exhibit F:  The 10ga shotgun.  Browning owns the 10ga pump market.  Meanwhile Remington has a 10ga autoloader.  It would not take a great deal to make a pump action variant, and they could probably beat Browning's price with something close to their well liked 870.


I think that Cerberus can see Remington's potential and will do what it can to pick up the ball where Remington's previous ownership dropped it.  Hopefully it will work in a way that makes better use of the same employees and well respected designs.  There's such a thing as making something more efficient by removing waste and friction, and hopefully that's what will happen with Remington.
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Remington does need new manegment
« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2007, 04:17:16 AM »
I do love Remingtons but do believe as a typical American company they are out of touch with the consumers. When they had a chance to shine against competition like Anschutz and Sako, they put out the 504 with poor QC. They could have had a jump start and offered the .338 Federal in the 7600 and model 7 and dropped the ball, Ruger picked it up. They didnt market the wonderfull .260 very well. That caliber should be offered in every version of the 700 there is including the Varmint and Tactical rifles and offer a better selection of ammo for it to boot. It took them forever to come up with a shotgun to go against Beretta and Franchi. I'm still waiting for a lightweight version of the 7600 and 750 like Browning has. A 18" barreled 30-06 is not the answer.  They need to hire management that actually have a clue about what shooters and hunters want.

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Re: Remington does need new manegment
« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2007, 12:05:20 PM »
I do love Remingtons but do believe as a typical American company they are out of touch with the consumers. When they had a chance to shine against competition like Anschutz and Sako, they put out the 504 with poor QC. They could have had a jump start and offered the .338 Federal in the 7600 and model 7 and dropped the ball, Ruger picked it up. They didnt market the wonderfull .260 very well. That caliber should be offered in every version of the 700 there is including the Varmint and Tactical rifles and offer a better selection of ammo for it to boot. It took them forever to come up with a shotgun to go against Beretta and Franchi. I'm still waiting for a lightweight version of the 7600 and 750 like Browning has. A 18" barreled 30-06 is not the answer.  They need to hire management that actually have a clue about what shooters and hunters want.

They simply need to hire hunters and shooters and be done with it.