JFK Assassination

[gypsyman]

We passed the 45th anniversary of the JFK assassination just a few days ago. I was a lad of 8 when it happened. All I can remember is getting out of school early that day, and the next door neighbor lady yelling at a bunch of us kids for playing football in the front  yard and making to much noise, and she had a hard time listening to the TV.
Not being a real big aficionado of conspiracy theories, I always had an interest in this event. What little bit of time I've had to do some research on this, knowing that Joe Kennedy wasn't much better than Al Capone, I always figured that this was payback from something he did in the '20's or '30's.
But a few years ago, I picked up a book on the dollar table at a store, titled, Mortal Error. In the book, the author,(Bonar Menninger) and the real investigator, Howard Donahue, claim that JFK's killing was more of an accident than anything else.
Donahue was more of a ballistics expert than anything else. And after years of research, he came to the conclusion that the head shot on Kennedy came from a Secret Service agent in the car behind the limo. It was documented that an M-16 in locked and loaded condition was in the car. And the agent had picked it up and was looking over his shoulder from where he had heard the shots, and he accidentally discharged the weapon. As there where people in the crown that had said they smelled gunpowder, which would have been impossible from Oswald's gun. He also said that the shot that hit JFK in the neck probably would have killed him anyway, but that the head shot most likely came from the car behind the Presidential limo. Anyway, it makes for a good read!  gypsyman

[Matt]

It was the driver... pull the old news footage that shows the driver and you will see him turn around point a handgun and you can see the muzzle flash and then JFK go backwards.... Why do you think the first lady was trying to climb on the trunk....


Matt

[GatCat]

I'm kinda reluctant to stick my nose in conspiracy thoughts, everyone has their own, and boy oh boy do they believe strongly in it!! For the life of me, I have not seen anything EVER that points to anything other then Oswald acting alone. For definitive reads, check out " Case Closed" by Postom (SP?), "A Simple Act of Murder" by Mark Furmam, or the Vince Bugliosi (SP?) book. Recent computer re-enactment, ballistic tests, and so all point to the same conclusion. Oswald was a mental case, who had very little money, and bought what he could afford. He practiced, both live-fire and dry-fire. The shots were simple, from a rest, with an adequate rifle. He was using Winchester ammo made with the right bullet diameter ( slightly oversize compared to other 6.5's). He was a former Marine, sight-alignment/trigger squeeze. The bullets did as they were designed to, penetrate.
Most people have a hard time dealing with the fact that the most important person on earth (POTUS) was killed by a nut-job who had the means, opportunity, method, and skill required.
IMO, the JFK Conspiracy folks are up there with the 911 Truethers, UFO abductee's, and others.
But..like I said, lots of folks have their own opinion, and the debate will never end.
Mark

[GatCat]

Actually, Oswald did drive, and I believe he owned a car. He drove out to where he took the pot-shot at the retired military officer ( General?) who was head off local John Birch group. Immediately after the shooting, when numerous witnesses said they saw the shooter in the TSBD, police went in, Oswald was the only person unaccounted for. As police began the search of the building, they encountered Oswald leaving, An employee told police he ( Oswald) worked there, and they let him go. He left via bus, then when on foot was contacted by Officer Tibbets, since Oswald matched the description of the shooter given by eyewitnesses. Oswald shot and killed Tibbets in view of numerous witnesses, fled to movie , snuck in, and the rest is well know.
An interesting point, oftentalked about by conspiracy buffs, is the bullets recovered from Officer Tibbets body had no ( or very little) rifling marks, so they claim it was an "assassins special": actually is was a milsurp S&W originally chambered for .38 S&W ( NOT special ). This has a larger bore then "special". To make the revolver more attractive to buyers, the importer cut the chambers longer to take the .38 SPECIAL round, but the bullets for the special, being .357, were way undersize in both the chambers, and the bore, hence little or no rifling marks. Typical of Oswald, it was all he could afford, but it worked.
Read the books I mentioned, keep an open mind, and report back.

[zasxcd]

Just gotta throw in a couple of items that support TM7's post. 1. I recently retired from Ford Motor Company after 39 years, I worked in the Rouge Complex in Dearborn, MI. I have spoken with men who claimed to have helped replace the windshield of the presidential limousine after Dallas, they were sworn to silence on threat of prosecution by the FBI. 2. Recently (within the last 5 years, I think) the FBI has officially admitted to altering the Zapruder film to erroneously show that the shots came from the rear, when they in fact did come from the front of the car. BTW the admitted reason that Jacqueline jumped out of the car onto the trunk was to retrieve Kennedy's brain and put it back into his head so he could be revived (she thought).

[rk4570]

I have also never thought that we were given the truth about JFK.

I like to keep things simple & I think he was killed because he opposed the Viet Nam war. If we look at it after the assassination its not hard to see what happened & where the MONEY went!

It is very similar to what is going on now, in any war a lot of people die & a lot of people make a lot of
MONEY!.......Simple!

[zasxcd]

I am not implying that there are no other motives, indeed there were probably many, but is it really hard to see that LBJ could not have gotten into the white house any other way, something that he wanted passionately? Add that he hated the Kennedy's? And that he had also been implicated in the convenient murders of several political rivals (for lesser offices) in his rise to power? He had the motive, opportunity, and the means. He may or may not have been allied with Howard Hunt, or other wealthy and powerful (and anti-Kennedy) Texans.

Furthermore, I don't think that it is unconnected that Joe Kennedy, JFK's father, was well known as being a Nazi sympathizer in WWII, who has been described as being a spy for Germany while he was the Ambassador to Great Britain during the same war. Back in the early 60's, they were still familiar with the truth about the PT109 incident (a hint: JFK was no hero). Nor had they forgotten how Joe Kennedy bought JFK's way into politics to begin with (he had to, because of the infamy of the PT109 incident).

So, to sum up, maybe a hyper-patriot of Texan extraction got rid of the son of a traitor, who had been court marshaled for dereliction of duty, and who subsequently bought his way into a House seat, forever causing politics to be a race based solely on money and advertising?

[Echo4Lima]

Coup-de-etat by LBJ.

[jk3006]

Wow, great stuff there, TM7!  I'll have to sticky that. 

Never heard about the limo driver doing any shooting.  Sounds a little suspicious to me.  No question, though, that a shot came from the front and exiting out the back of JFK's head.  Eyewitnesses at the scene confirmed that.  That is an EXIT hole coming out the back of his head!!!

The evidence is unbelievable.  Of course, there's also E. Howard Hunt admitting on his death bed his involvement in the drama. 

[jk3006]

Furthermore, I don't think that it is unconnected that Joe Kennedy, JFK's father, was well known as being a Nazi sympathizer in WWII, who has been described as being a spy for Germany while he was the Ambassador to Great Britain during the same war. Back in the early 60's, they were still familiar with the truth about the PT109 incident (a hint: JFK was no hero). Nor had they forgotten how Joe Kennedy bought JFK's way into politics to begin with (he had to, because of the infamy of the PT109 incident).

Also for side reference, let's not forget about Prescott Bush, GW's grandfather and also a Bonesman, who was a Nazi money launderer, supporting them in organized financial crime, etc.

[zasxcd]

Tell us more about Prescott Bush....

[jk3006]

Tell us more about Prescott Bush....

I can't run off all the different aspects of his involvement off the top of my head, so I'll post this link to google video.  It's a 10 minute blurb out of Alex Jones' "Marshall Law 911".  Very educating and very chilling!!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3152907011466897950&q=prescott+bush&total=351&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

I'll post some of what's on that video if you don't have high speed to watch it.  Enjoy!

[neophyte]

Anybody seen the Movie EXECUTIVE ACTION with Burt Lancaster and Robert Ryan ?
Might be closer to fact than fiction.

It will make thought provoking viewing. When they start talking money for the "hit" this might be a handy reference in 1963 dollars.

http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/income/histinc/f07ar.html

Do I believe Oswald was the "one" and worked alone ?......when I see a flock of POLAND-CHINA's head south for the winter.
 I don't worry about it because the truth will never come out for more than a hundred years..if ever!