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projectile weight?
« on: April 21, 2007, 04:37:47 PM »
I have 1/2 scale napoleon Hern cannon. Is there a weight limit per powder charge i should know? Like 2 1/2 or 3oz powder vs a certain weight projectile?

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Re: projectile weight?
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2007, 04:54:39 PM »
What are you using as projectiles?
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Re: projectile weight?
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2007, 05:01:54 PM »
2.25 inch Hern.

What are you planning on using for a projectile?

Considering the barrel only...you should be thinking 4 ounce Max of Cannon grade. Depending on who's recommendations you run across, that could go up to 4. 5 ounces, but why split hairs... less is safer.

4 ounces of cannon grade behind a real projectile will really go a long ways.... I would think about that. What sort of range do you have access to?

Even an ounce is a heck of a lot of powder. Start low, and make sure your projectile is not leaving your range. 200 grains of cannon might be a nice starting point. Work up from there, depending on how safe your range is.

You will have issues with 200 grain charges in a 2.25 inch bore. Assuming you are using a foil bag (the only safe way to go) ... they will tumble in the bore and not seat well. In my mortar (same diameter) I tape the charge to the ball with masking tape  so the charge goes in straight.

In my mortar, I am only shooting 170 grains for 100 yard shooting with a bore sized lead ball. In a "horizontal" fired barrel, you can go higher without fear of overshooting your mark... assuming you have a decent backstop that will stop your projectile. If it won't stop it, the ball may bounce or roll way further than you wish it to.

So, what is your projectile and how far away is the first thing that you don't want to destroy?

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Re: projectile weight?
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2007, 05:03:17 PM »
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Re: projectile weight?
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2007, 06:29:04 AM »
You should contact Evil Dog, He has alot of experience with a Hern 1/2 scale Nap. Hey Evil Dog, you out there?

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Re: projectile weight?
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2007, 01:59:07 PM »
If you are looking for a mold for a 2.25 inch barrel, Powder Keg worked out all the numbers and did one for me. It casts really nice. The sprue breaks off clean as the lead cools, so there is no cleanup at all.

I made up a fixture to hold it in while casting... I posted pictures a few months back... I can always repost them if they are not findable.

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Re: projectile weight?
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2007, 07:14:53 AM »
Looking on weight of projectile. cannister or grape. amount put in barrel, by weight? cant just load barrel half full. on solid shot can use lead? this is what im trying to find out. not powder weight but shot weight. thanks.

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Re: projectile weight?
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2007, 09:28:54 AM »
You can calculate the weight of a spherical shot using the Spherical Shot Weight Calculator.  Evil Dog uses zinc for his shot.  If you are trying for canister or grape, you need a can or sabot ahead of the powder.
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Re: projectile weight?
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2007, 03:45:37 PM »
Solid lead ball for 2.25 inch is about 2.2 #.

It is a little over N-SSA weight for such bore size. I use it, but keep charges way down. I have no reason to use max charges anyway.

With shot, you will need a wad of some sort.... possibly an inch or so of plywood cut to bore size with a hole saw. Remember that the wad is part of the projectile weight, so weigh it and add it to your total weight.

One thing that scares me about shot, although shotguns use it every day with no issues, is the possibility of it somehow jambing up in the bore and causing pressure to increase. A load of "00" buckshot has the same problem, and it works every time, so my fears are probably unfounded. Shotgunners seem to go by shot weight, and don't seem to care about shot size as far as pressure goes. An ounce of shot is an ounce of shot, be it #9 or some "000". It seems to work for them. Is my fear imaginary? Possibly. I am pretty sure that if you fill a pipe with shot and hammer it in there it will get stuck solid. A solid round ball ... probably stuck way less solid.

Unless you are being attacked by a neighboring country, these guns have the capability of way more power than is needed for simple target shooting. Big blanks are a blast, but live loads, why push them? Go light, save stress on your barrel, carriage, powder costs.


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Re: projectile weight?
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2007, 05:13:27 PM »
If you have a steel mold cast your ball out of zinc.  Zinc melts somewhere around 900 degrees and can be done with a plumber's pot.  Zinc has a similar weight to iron by volume, and of course weighs less than lead which in turn reduces breech pressure.
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