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Offline Moe

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« on: June 02, 2003, 07:48:39 AM »
Any notice there are seldom any Bullberry barrels for sale in the classifieds? Some other makers seem to be a little more frequent. Wonder why that is?

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« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2003, 11:26:41 AM »
Maybe its cause after waiting for damn near 5 months for it who would want to get rid of it??  Just a thought although I don't mind waiting on mine.  Hehehe
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« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2003, 03:19:26 PM »
Putting aside that I used to live in Utah's Dixie and run around with Fred, hang out at his shop and have been close friends with him for years...

The long and the short of it, is Bullberry and SSK barrels are still the best after market barrels you can buy for your TC's - for the dollar amount spent!   While VVCG is Freds old crew (taught the trade by him and I've know them all personally about a dozen years), internal and money problems will always keep them from reaching the level of the other two shops.   Van Horn might produce a pretty good product, but ordering a 22 Hornet and getting a 300 Whisper - eventually - and other horror stories I've heard will continue to hold them down.   EABCO's barrels used to be made by Bullberry - have no experience with the ones they are turning out now (but it is a good company) so can't say about them.   I just got a used Brown Precision carbine barrel to try out, but haven't had time to wring it out yet.   Gonic is pretty limited on chamber choices.  And anybody that orders a barrel from Grants Pass, OR gets what he deserves.   The list goes on.

As for the long delays at Bullberry (VVCG, Van Horn, etc. have them too), I know Fred has upwards of 800-1200 barrels in process all of the time, not for inventory, these are to fill orders.   Also realize that he can not inventory thousands of blanks, so he does run out of some calibers at times waiting for his next shipment to come in.   I know to keep prices as low as he can, he orders blanks only when he can meet the price break minimums, and at times they are very slow to fill his orders.   One of the bad things he does do is if you also order wood with your barrel, the barrel never gets added into the schedule to be built until the wood is nearing completion (only one guy does all the wood while 3+ do the barrels).   With Bullberry, its best to split your order - order the barrel and then later order the wood.   He also tries to group barrel orders so when set up for chambering he can do several all at once.   Fred also is the first to admit that is not a good businessman in the sense of how to run the "business" end of his shop.   But he tries hard.   If you can't wait the 4+ months for a Bullberry, then spend the few dollars more and order it from JD at SSK.   Barrels with common chambers he sells a lot of are almost always in stock, so he can usually ship in 2-3 weeks depending on if he needs to cut down and re crown, etc for what you want.   He's always been an ornery old cuss, but he makes some pretty damn good barrels.

Naturally, this is all just in my opinion and I am sure some of you have had better experiences with some of the other shops.   I have been shooting Contender's for about 33 years, have known JD and got my first SSK wildcat probably something like 25 years ago... my first Bullberry near 20 years ago.   Most of my experience has been with SSK, BBW, VVCG and TC.   You couldn't give me a barrel from either of the last two.    So what do I own today?   A bunch of Bullberry and SSK barrels, and now the one Brown Precision - almost all wildcats.   YMMV, but I am very happy with the products I get from these two shops, and they will continue to get all of my business.

Lotsa rambling here I guess... hope some of it is useful to someone looking in,

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« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2003, 07:47:42 PM »
Hello Everyone,

I've got Ladobe's back on everything he said and I will add one other shop whose products I like and use.  Yes, the wait is still there but I've had fabulous performance out of Gary Reeder's T/C products and I'm not easily impressed.  I'm not from Missouri, but you still have to show me.  Gary has his own line of wildcats that are well-proven throughout the world including Africa and highly worth their salt.  He handles the standard calibers too.  Gary Reeder is a no-bull guy who says it like it is and does it like he says.  That ALWAYS works for me!  Just as a small testimonial, I own a Reeder 41 GNR #2 Contender barrel with a Reeder patented brake that shoots five-shot 41 caliber groups of .5" at 100 yards with Sierra 170 grainers - I'm a believer!

The custom houses are always a law unto themselves, and it behooves you to investigate carefully - I personally did that with one of the better known custom shops in the Mesa, AZ area and I'll personally never spend a dime there - ever, 'nuff said.

Bullberry Barrel Works, SSK and Gary Reeder get my vote for general T/C barrels, wood and wildcat caliber services, and if it's of any help, I vote for Jim Henry with my gunsmith dollars whenever something comes up like a trigger job or thorny T/C problem that nobody else can fix.  Every T/C I own has a Jim Henry trigger.

Good and safe shooting to you all.   :grin:

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« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2003, 09:37:57 AM »
Well to chime in about Reeder. I would buy from him again, but as a last resort. He does have some calibers I like. I ordered a Contender barrel from him a couple of years ago. When I went to pick it up he had a revolver in stock of the same caliber. I bought that also. Without going into a lot of detail, it was junk. I couldn't give it away, and finally traded it back to him for an Ultimate Encore frame. I got tired of the Contender barrel and sold it on this forum. Now I see that Contender85 had to send it back because it was junk. His customer service was the problem. I thought something was wrong with the revolver(there was) he didn't. End of story. All my Bullberry experience has been wonderful. VVCG so-so. SSK, JD is tough to deal with. Van Horn is a little "different". I got a piece of wood from him that would not even fit the gun, screw holes not drilled correctly, etc. Never again.

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« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2003, 03:22:39 PM »
Hi Moe,

You told me a little offline about your Super Duper Reeder Encore, but I didn't realize you had problems leading up to that.  I'm sure every custom shop there is has problems from time to time.  I see you had some grief with Van Horn - that was who I alluded to in my previous message.  I've also had real grief with Bullberry, although I like most of their work and still patronize Fred whenever I can.  I waited almost eleven months for a 17/222 stainless bull Contender carbine barrel, just to have it arrive all screwed up with damage that could only have been done at the shop itself, since it came out of the packing that way - quality control will always be an issue I suppose.  He wanted to give me $25 off, but I paid for a first quality barrel and held out for one, strangely enough I received the second one within two weeks after I sent the first one back - go figure after eleven months of waiting.  That's the custom barrel biz for you!

I still stand by Bullberry, SSK and Reeder for the T/C stuff, but I have no experience whatsoever with Reeder's revolver business - I just don't shoot revolvers so it's a non-issue for me.  Van Horn being "different" is an understatement, and certainly JD Jones is JD Jones, always has been, always will be!  He sure has done a lot for T/C shooters, no matter what anyone thinks about his mannerisms - if he wasn't so gruff, he wouldn't be any fun!  I always enjoy talking with him, although I'm not so sure he enjoys talking to me!   :-D

Any luck with that 357 Max yet?  

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