308 Bull barrel.

[DalesCarpentry]

Hey guys I just bought a 308 22 inch bull barrel. I was wondering how you guys like them and how are they shooting? I was also wondering why they use the 308 in competition shooting when the 30-06 is a superior round?

[burntmuch]

Its the same bullet just a different case. Its my under standing that the shorter case provides more consistant pressures. Im new to reloading, but I believe that the more case you use ( fill with powder) the better. better ignition, more consistant pressures & so on.

[Mac11700]

Hey guys I just bought a 308 22 inch bull barrel. I was wondering how you guys like them and how are they shooting? I was also wondering why they use the 308 in competition shooting when the 30-06 is a superior round?

An edge in velocity doesn't make it superior...just faster...

Try some 150 grain Federal Fusion...and some 150 Grain Winchester Power Points or the 180 grainers...My old bull barrel really liked the 167 grain Federal match ammo too...

Mac

[quickdtoo]

I've had good luck so far with the 168gr TSX Match bullet with a mid level charge of Varget in my 308 bull barrel.

Tim

http://www.snipercountry.com/Articles/AccuracyFacts.asp

[Coffee_Boy]

The .308, aka 7.62 NATO, is essentially a shorter .30-06.  I believe it was a compromise.  It was designed for automatic weapons fire; the '06 was not.  I believe a shorter action is more reliable with automatic fire.  A 165 grain bullet is standard, I believe.

As for competitive shooting, the difference is negligible.  The guy who shoots better with .308 will shoot better with .30-06, too.

[DalesCarpentry]

Thanks Quick. Another great article.

[DalesCarpentry]

The .308, aka 7.62 NATO, is essentially a shorter .30-06.  I believe it was a compromise.  It was designed for automatic weapons fire; the '06 was not.  I believe a shorter action is more reliable with automatic fire.  A 165 grain bullet is standard, I believe.

As for competitive shooting, the difference is negligible.  The guy who shoots better with .308 will shoot better with .30-06, too.

I wonder if you can shoot 7.62 NATO rounds from the Handi 308 barrel?

[quickdtoo]

Shooting 7.62 NATO in a 308 Win Handi has been discussed many times, H&R warns against shooting Milsurp in any of their firearms, and the 308 is no exception.

Tim

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,79260.msg490174.html#msg490174

http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting2006/308vs762nato/index.asp

[Couger]

To really appreciate and understand the .308's accuracy abilities I think one needs to study its developement when it was known by the Army as the T-65 'experimental round.'  The T-65 round was what the Army settled on when they finally found the case they wanted to propell a M1 Garand bullet at similar velocities - only in a 1/2 inch shorter package.

Further testing and experiementation discovered how great the round would become as a target and sniper cartridge.

And this is all before being introduced commercially as the .308 Winchester (from the 7.62X51 Nato) .....

And all the wildcatting that also resulted.

The really great .308 Winnie case was the basis for the .243 Winchester, .25 Souper, .260 Remy (Ken Waters developed a round similar known as the .263 Express,  but when Reminton simiply put their name on Jim Carmichael's .260 Panther, Carmichael got the credit for deveopemnt.).  Also derived from the .308 is the 7mm08 Remy (another wildcat that Green simply put thier name on), the .358 Winnie and now the .338 Federal.  Necked to .277 caliber that round is very good, but like the "Souper" still an ill-legitimate wildcat.

Often the .308 case provides a case not unlike the 'standard Mauser case,' but in a more compact modern design.

[handirifle]

And this is all before being introduced commercially as the .308 Winchester (from the 7.62X51 Nato) .....

Actually the 7.62 wasn't adopted by NATO until 2 years after Winchester put it on the market as the 308 Winchester.  It really WAS the 7-62 but hadn't been officially accepted as yet.

[SwampThing762]

has anyone shot any of the polymer case Wolf ammo through their HandiRifle or Survivor yet?   I found some .308 Wolf ammo in a box and wondering if it is safe to shoot in my .308 rifle.

ST762

[Scootter]

has anyone shot any of the polymer case Wolf ammo through their HandiRifle or Survivor yet?   I found some .308 Wolf ammo in a box and wondering if it is safe to shoot in my .308 rifle.

ST762

It's standard pressure stuff so it should be safe. I've heard alot of good stuff about wolf ammo.

Scootter

[quickdtoo]

You're not likely to read much good about Wolf ammo in a Handi, specially an ejector barrel, it may function Ok in an extractor barrel, but don't expect much accuracy out of it.

Tim

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,71717.msg440077.html#msg440077

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,84545.msg512954.html#msg512954

[prairiedog555]

I have shot Wolf Gold (brass case 150 gr) in my .308 and it functioned well and was as accurate as the other commercial ammo I have tried. 

Anybody have an experience reloading the Wolf brass cases?

[Roudy]

"It was designed for automatic weapons fire; the '06 was not"

I suspect that millions of veterans from WW I and WW II would take exception to the above statement.  The 30-06 was the round used in the Lewis machine gun, the Browning air cooled, the Browning water cooled, and the BAR just to name a few fully automatic firearms that used it. 

I "suspect" that the .308 round evolved from the 30-06 due to improvements in powder technology.  A lesser volume of powder was required, therefore a shorter case made sense.  The 30-06 is no slouch when compared to the .308, from what I read it handles heavier bullets (180 gr+) better.   

Roudy
 

[10ga.]

Here's some more info on the .308/7.62

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62_x_51_mm_NATO

[DalesCarpentry]

Some more great reading!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!