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Which one? Dillon 550B or Hornady Lock-N-Load?
« on: April 29, 2007, 04:22:25 PM »
I am new to reloading and have been doing it on my dad's RCBS single stage.  I hate it, it drives me nuts, about 3-4 hours from setup, everything is packed up after each session, until the end of reloading for 100 rounds.  WAY to long .... I want to get a progressive press.  I shot bullseye competitively in college and want to start shooting the 45 for bullseye in the future.  I also reload for 44mag, 41 mag, 38 special, 357 mag, 270, 300 mag, 7mm and hopefully 223 in the future.  The majority will be the pistol calibers, so if I had to reload the rifles I would on the single stage. 

Tell me which one I should get, as they are about the same price new, however I have an add in the classifieds for used ones to buy also.  Thanks for the help!

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Re: Which one? Dillon 550B or Hornady Lock-N-Load?
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2007, 05:10:11 PM »
I've had my Dillon for 20yrs with no problems.( Mine was a 450 back then, until I upgraded it to a 550.) I load all pistol on my Dillon, rifle go on my RCBS Rockchucker.
The Hornady is probably a good press also.

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Re: Which one? Dillon 550B or Hornady Lock-N-Load?
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2007, 05:44:48 PM »
Either one will probably make you happy, they all claim to be the best. I own the Dillon and like it but I'd probably have been just as happy with the Hornady or RCBS.
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Re: Which one? Dillon 550B or Hornady Lock-N-Load?
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2007, 06:39:42 PM »
Used a Dillon 650 for quite a few years.... would spit out a lot of ammo real quick.  Still use my old Pacific single stage "O" press a goodly bit though.  Seriously thinking of one of the older Lyman 6 hole turret presses.
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Re: Which one? Dillon 550B or Hornady Lock-N-Load?
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2007, 10:51:06 PM »
I run dillons but wouldnt be ashamed to have a lock and load.
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Re: Which one? Dillon 550B or Hornady Lock-N-Load?
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2007, 04:00:42 AM »
It will be unusual to find someone who uses both. I don't think you can go wrong with either one. My preference is Dillon, which I own. The reason is that when I once had trouble with a set of custom Hornady dies and Hornady was a real bother to deal with, and they tried to charge me for fixing their problem. Dillon, on the other hand, has been absolutely trouble free. They typically do not charge for minor replacement parts. Their reputation is better than anyone else's in the shooting industry.

My real-world production rate with the 550B for 45ACP is about 250 rounds per hour. That includes everything from setup to clean-up.

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Re: Which one? Dillon 550B or Hornady Lock-N-Load?
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2007, 10:06:06 AM »
I happen to use a Hornady L-N-L AP and really like it. Dillon has a large contingent of really loyal fans but I made the choice based on initial cost and cost of switching out to different calibers because I load for a bunch ( 12 different ones) and the Hornady was much less expensive and seemed to be easier to swap out to load different rounds.

I have been very satisfied with the quality, speed and company response to my initial questions when first setting up.
Hornady had no problems taking a lot of time helping me out and even  sent me a new 9 mm crimp die at no charge when I told them my RCBS did not crimp like I would have preferred.  That is great service.

I am sure Dillon would be as good but I made a choice and have not had any regrets.  With the pistol calibers and the power case feeder, I can churn out  350 to 400 per hour without any effort and that includes the swapping out of shellplates and dies and setting up the powder drop.

All in all I am very satisfied with the Hornady system.

Just my 2 cents.

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Re: Which one? Dillon 550B or Hornady Lock-N-Load?
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2007, 06:05:51 PM »
I've heard that claim that it's cheaper to change calibers on the Hornady, but after a small amount of investigation I found that it's actually more expensive to buy the Hornady and it certainly doesn't save any money on caliber changes, the Hornady just doesn't measure up to the Dillon.

Dillon owns the progressive reloading market, nobody gave that to them, they earned it!

Here's a survey of the reloaders used by IDPA shooters, it gives you a good idea what is happening in the real world.



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Re: Which one? Dillon 550B or Hornady Lock-N-Load?
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2007, 11:24:35 PM »
Im a dillon man through and through. Ive got 6 of there presses but have to admit that the lock and load is a good press. They improved a few things on it and the last one i used seemed to work real well.
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Re: Which one? Dillon 550B or Hornady Lock-N-Load?
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2007, 04:44:35 PM »
So I have been looking into it further and I have a few more questions.

1) I am planning on keeping and using this press forever.  I am a soon to be dad, so the likelyhood of their being extra money laying around after the baby is born is slim to none.  That being said, I want a press that if it breaks it will get fixed.  I know that Dillon will do this, but will the Hornady?

2) How important is auto-indexing in a progressive?  The hornady comes with it, the dillon doesn't

3) How easy are the hornady's at switching calibers.  I know the Dillon's have a removable toolhead, do the Hornady's have something similar, so that I don't have to reset the dies everytime I change calibers?

4) They are both the same price, however if I go with a Hornady I can get 1000 44, 240 grain XTP bullets for free.  Should be enough of a supply to keep my 44 deer hunting for a while.  I would think those bullets would be a better choice for longer range shots than the 310 grain hardcast WFNGC bullets I have now, at least for deer.  I would keep the 310 grain for upclose, open sight hog hunting.

5) I read an article that said that only ball and spherical powders should be used with a progressive press?  Is this true?  Does that mean that my load of 8 grains of Unique for my 41 won't work in the progressive? 


Thanks for all of your help in assisting me in selecting the appropriate press.  I value everyone's opinions a lot!

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Re: Which one? Dillon 550B or Hornady Lock-N-Load?
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2007, 10:42:13 PM »
1 im sure hornady will take care of you too. Will they be as good as dillon i dont know
2 auto indexing is nice. If anything what it will do for a begining loader is help prevent double charges. Which can happen on a 550 if your not paying attention which you should be. Ive yet to do it but see how it could happen on one
3 Hornady doesnt have a removeable toolhead but there dies snap in allready adjusted so its almost as fast.
4 jacketed bullets suck.
5 spherical powders are the ones that will give you trouble on a progressive. Unique is fine to use.
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Re: Which one? Dillon 550B or Hornady Lock-N-Load?
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2007, 11:07:38 PM »
I found a very careful write up comparing Dillon, Hornady, and Lee.  I'm not sure why the RCBS was not in it but it is a very thorough piece to consider.

  http://www.comrace.ca/cmfiles/dillonLeeHornadyComparison.pdf

Last winter I found a different forum that had a very extensive discussion of this topic but I can't relocate it now.  My impression was that a lot of people like Dillons and Hornadys but on that forum, quite a few Dillon users were switching to the Hornady. 

I don't use any progressive -yet - so can't speak from experience.  I'm looking and beginnig wish for one.  Just burned up about 300 rounds of 41, 40 and 357 yesterday afternoon.

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Re: Which one? Dillon 550B or Hornady Lock-N-Load?
« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2007, 02:17:07 AM »
I use Unique in my Dillon 550 for 44 mag and 45 Colt with no trouble.

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Re: Which one? Dillon 550B or Hornady Lock-N-Load?
« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2007, 06:39:10 AM »
You only have to look at what the top competitors use and they load thousands and thousands of rounds. The overwhelming majority of them use Dillon. If there were something out there better I can assure you they would be using it. Nuff said!!!

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Re: Which one? Dillon 550B or Hornady Lock-N-Load?
« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2007, 03:45:07 AM »
I have posted this before, but this Dillon verses LNL always comes up.

The Dillon has been on the market a long time and have great customer service, as a result, Dillon users are extremely dedicated to their blue presses. The Dillon's are EXCEPTIONAL presses and do an exceptional job in reloading. The guys that have Dillon’s are very satisfied. The competition to the Dillon is the Hornady Lock and Load Auto Progressive. Because most of the Dillon users are so satisfied I was swamped with comments like, "The Hornady L-n-L is Junk!" I asked if they had ever loaded on the L-n-L and 99% said no. When I did find someone that had experience with both presses, most liked the L-n-L and many had sold their Dillon's and bought the L-n-L.

IMHO the Dillon has one major shortcoming and most Dillon owners will agree if they are honest. The Dillon powder measure is sorely lacking in ease of use and adjustability. It meters ball type powder very well but flake type powder less so. And, extruded stick type powder is VERY troublesome and not all that accurate. To be fair, extruded powder is difficult in all powder measures. But, the L-n-L powder measure handles all types of powder MUCH better than the Dillon. Also, it is a pain to swap out the Dillon powder measure to another die plate. As a result, many owners have several powder measures on separate die plates for changing calibers. This significantly drives UP the COST.

Also, the Dillon gets filthy as the old primers are caught in a cup after they have rolled off the side of the press. The L-N-L spent primers are dropped thru a plastic tube and into the trash or bottle or whatever you want to use. The point is, the dirt off the spent primers does not foul the workings of the press. As a result, the L-N-L IS MUCH CLEANER TO USE THAN THE DILLON.

The Dillon 550 has 4 die stations and the L-N-L has 5 stations. The Dillon 650 has 5 stations but, costs significantly more. Also, the Dillon 550 does not auto index, the L-n-L does. The Dillon 650 DOES auto index, but again, at more cost. There is a sound argument that auto indexing reduces the chance of a "double powder charge".  If you are using the Dillon 550 and get distracted, it would be VERY easy to double charge a case.  Auto indexing, in my opinion, is a VERY VALUABLE FEATURE.  Both for speed and safety.

Next, the L-N-L uses a really slick bushing system for mounting loading dies to the press. It makes changing calipers and SNAP. After a die is adjusted for whatever you are loading you can remove the die from the press with an 1/8 turn and insert a different die. Each die has it's own bushing. The Dillon uses a die plate. The Dillon die plate costs more than L-N-L bushings. Another neat feature with the Hornady is that you can buy a bushing conversion setup and use the same bushings on your RCBS, Lyman or other single stage press and the L-N-L!

Additionally, the L-N-L seems to be built like a tank! The ram is about 2"+ in diameter and the basic press is similar in construction to the RCBS Rockchucker. I would say that a side-by-side comparison to the either the Dillon 550 OR 650, the L-N-L is at least as sturdily built. And, In some areas I think the L-N-L is better built. i.e., The massive ram, powder measure, and primer system. The head/top of the press is solid except for where the dies are inserted. The Dillon has a large cutout that is needed for their die plates. By just looking, it would seem the L-N-L would be stronger. But, of course, that may not be the case.
There is one piece that can get damaged on the L-N-L. There is a coil spring that holds the cases in the shell holder that can get crushed if you improperly change shell holders. That's the bad news. The good news is that they are only about $2-3 and they won't get crushed if you change shell plates correctly. The other good news is that this spring is the primary reason that while loading you can easily remove a case at any station. With the Dillon you have to remove pins in order to take a shell out of a shell plate.

You can load anything on both the Dillon and L-N-L from .25 ACP to 500 N.E. Realistically, I would say that people with progressive loaders mostly load pistol ammo about 99% of the time. After using the L-N-L for while I feel confident that my Grandkids will be using when I'm gone.

In summary, the Hornady L-N-L has all the features of the Dillon 650 but is much cheaper. Changing calipers is faster and cheaper. The powder measure on the L-N-L is VASTLY SUPERIOR TO THE DILLON, at least in my opinion. I bought the L-N-L and am very satisfied. A shooting buddy of mine is a long time, dedicated Dillon user. He has three! After giving me a ration of "stuff" about my choice, he came over and used my L-N-L and sheepishly said, "That's a very nice setup!!"

Also, Hornady is giving away 1000 free bullets of your choice with purchase of the LNL.  That's up to a $250 value alone.


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Re: Which one? Dillon 550B or Hornady Lock-N-Load?
« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2007, 03:38:04 AM »
Waldog:

Your post should be a permanent article somewhere. Thanks. Excellent.

Since I only have a Dillon, here are some comments about it...

Your point about metering stick powders is an important one. I believe most people who use the progressives a lot are loading straight wall handgun cartridges that run on powders that meter easily. Powders like Bullseye and Win 231 meter extremely well in the Dillon, and in fact meter better with the Dillon than they meter with my RCBS micrometer powder measure. 

I haven't tried stick powders in my Dillon. I have tried the Hodgdon short cut versions of one of their stick powders for .270 rifle and it meters much better in the RCBS than it does using the long stick versions of the same powder. Varget meters very well too. This sort of powder may be an option for progressive users. I recall that the Palma rifle team used a progressive to load their target ammo, and I'm sure it was a Dillon of some kind.

One thing I like about the Dillon 550 powder measure is that when you set it,  it stays set. I've never had it wander out of adjustment.

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Re: Which one? Dillon 550B or Hornady Lock-N-Load?
« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2007, 01:09:45 PM »
Thanks for the kind word Questor!!

For another really good comparison check this out:

http://www.comrace.ca/cmfiles/dillonLeeHornadyComparison.pdf

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Re: Which one? Dillon 550B or Hornady Lock-N-Load?
« Reply #17 on: May 11, 2007, 04:33:31 PM »
Well after much research and searching of posts I have found out that Dillon owners love their presses and I love the no questions asked warranty.  However the Hornady is offering the same warranty, I like the cheaper initial cost, the cheaper shell coversion costs and the apparent better powders measure.  Not to mention I get the 1000 bullets for free.  I think I am getting the Hornady.  Now I jsut ahve to wait until Natchezz has them in stock again. 

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Re: Which one? Dillon 550B or Hornady Lock-N-Load?
« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2007, 06:03:46 PM »
Check out Graf & Sons. (www.graf.com)  I purchase a lot of stuff form them including my LNL.  They pay for the shipping.  Good prices too!! 

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Re: Which one? Dillon 550B or Hornady Lock-N-Load?
« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2007, 07:57:01 PM »
Just got tired of shopping around.  Made my decision today. Ordered my L.N.L. Figuring the selling price, plus shipping, minus the value of 1000 230 gr 45ACP hollowpoint bullets, plus the shipping of the bullets, works out that the press is going to cost $162.73 delivered to my door. Good enough for me.
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Re: Which one? Dillon 550B or Hornady Lock-N-Load?
« Reply #20 on: May 13, 2007, 11:34:49 PM »
im sure you will be happy with it. Like i said im a blue man through and through but the horndady aint a bad press. I here the arguments all the time that all the big named shooters use dillons and its probably  true. A couple years back there was no competition for dillon and theres still very little and if you look closely id about bet most of those big named shooters are getting there equiptment from dillon for free or for a song for advertising. If i thought the hornady was junk id be the first one to put it in print but like i said the last one i ran impressed me. Im not going out and selling all my dillons to buy one but would consider one if adding another press.
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Re: Which one? Dillon 550B or Hornady Lock-N-Load?
« Reply #21 on: May 14, 2007, 04:46:26 AM »
blklabs:

Sounds like you did good research and found the best answer for today's conditions. Things were different back when I got the Dillon. Now onward into your very satisfying experiences with progressive reloading. If you're like me and view reloading as just a necessary evil that's needed for shooting, then you're really going to like that progressive press.

The only other advice I can give is that you should have a few extra spare parts on hand -- whichever ones tend to wear. Dillon sells a kit of such parts at a low cost that I have found to be useful. Perhaps Hornady has a similar accessory. Next learn to maintain it -- where is it lubed? How to lube it? etc. Then get some "canned air" like what is used for blowing off photographic equipment and photocopiers. Places like Walmart sell it near the photo department. You'll need that to blow crud out of the tight spots. Also get an old toothbrush to brush crud out of the easy to reach areas. Finally, learn enough about the press so that if something isn't right you can diagnose it on the spot and make the necessary adjustments. It's a machine worth learning the details of.
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Re: Which one? Dillon 550B or Hornady Lock-N-Load?
« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2007, 03:21:15 AM »
Questor is absolutely right in suggesting a few spare parts.  If you don't have your press yet it will be difficult to understand which ones.  There are three critical springs that would really be nice to have spares. One is on the case activated powder drop, one is on the primer assembly and one is around the shell holder.  The 3 springs will probably run about $3- $4.  Also, the suggestion of a can a photo compressed air is great.  The only trouble I have ever had with the primer assembly is that if a few flakes of gunpowder finds their way under the primer slide, the slide will not pick up a primer and you will have an "un-primed" case.  It's easy to catch and easy to fix.  A little air to blow out the flakes and you are back in business.  One more thing.  The instructions with the case activated powder drop suck.  If you are going to load pistol, you will probably buy the extra "Powder-thru expander".  In order to get the case to go deep enough into the die to "bell" the case mouth, you will have to screw the powder measure 3 turns deeper into the case activated assembly.  No where does it say that in the instructions.  If you have any trouble Hornady customer service is great.  Or feel free to PM me.  I truly think you will be pleased with your choice.  I love mine!

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Re: Which one? Dillon 550B or Hornady Lock-N-Load?
« Reply #23 on: May 16, 2007, 06:58:09 AM »
Check out Graf & Sons. (www.grafs.com)  I purchase a lot of stuff form them including my LNL.  They pay for the shipping.  Good prices too!! 

Link fixed. It's www.grafs.com

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