your light 3030 advise is showing promise

[Lloyd Smale]

I sized down some lbt 120lfngc 32 bullets to 310 cast out of #2 and lubed with both conventional lube and tumble lube. I dont know if the double lubing helped but I figured it wouldnt hurt. I used ww 748 (wont put the load in print) in the tc carbine and went out shooting. Ive been layed up with a bad back and couldnt do anything at longer ranges but figured id blast some at the pistol backstop. I had 4 bullets other then your 120 lbtlfn but it did the best by far. I shot 2 5 shot groups at 25 yards with all of the bullets touching. Probably about a 1/2 inch group. According to a load calculating computer program i should be getting about 2550 out of this load in a 16 inch carbine barrel. I shot 2 5 shot groups out of all 5 bullets and then proceded to shoot the remainding 30 120s I had loaded up so i shot a total of 80 rounds through the gun and the barrel still looks clean and shinny with no lead visable. My lube is a homemade concoction that is based on felix lube with some alterations. Its the only lube ive personaly found that has worked anywhere near as good as your lbt blue at rifle velocitys. I dont believe it works better but it does seem to work well. That little 120lfngc never ceases to amaze me. It shoots well in all of my 32 mags may 3220s and now even beat out anything in a 30 rifle. Kind of curious as to what that little 120 lfn at those speeds would do to a whitetail? It sure slaps rocks hard!!

[Veral]

  I believe you are actually shooting the 32 FN, as I don't recall ever making an LFN that short, and won't.

Try sizing them larger, so long as they slide into the chamber easily.  That little bullet shoots tight groups in any 30 caliber rifle I've ever tried it in, going fast or slow.

  If you start them at 1400 fps it will kill small game instantly with a half inch hole through and almost no meat loss if you don't hit a large bone, in which case the bone will become a secondary projectile far more violent than the bullet.

  At 1800 fps it will kill deer quick and clean with good hits out to 100 yards or so.  With the load you have it will really clean their clock, but slow them down to not over 2400 fps if using water quenched ww alloy, and intending to shoot in sub 0 temperatures.  Real cold cast bullets with a hardness over 20 can turn to powder on impact in extreme cold with high velocity impact.  In other words, starting them at 3000 fps is no problem if you never shoot anything in close enough that remaining velocity, or impact velocity, is over about 2400 fps.

[Lloyd Smale]

it is the fn veral i call it a lfn but it actually isnt. Ive been told by a few others that a bullet that small should be slowed down to 2200-2400 fps when used on deer sized game. It sure does hit rocks with athority though    I guess i got carried away with the need for speed. I usually am a little more sensible when it comes to hunting with cast but this is kind of an odd ball project for me as im more of a handgun cast man. Thank you for your advise it is greatly apprecitated.

[Veral]

  Oh well, I'll forgive you for pushing them to the wall!  Done it myself a few times more than I probably should have.  Gave one gun a pot belly  in fact  when I tried to make a 380 work like a 454.  Biggest problem is, repentance doesn't fix the gun if we go to far!  Coarse you aren't pressing  things with your loads.  Just had to throw in my two bits of nonsense!

[Lloyd Smale]

Heck veral your preaching to the choir. I dont know what im doing with this rig. Its given me some kind of weird fever. Ive never preached the pushing of lead bullets. Ive allways been in the slow and steady croud. But ive never played much with cast rifle loads mostly handguns. Ive shot them out of many lever guns but allways just did basic hunting load stuff. This little 16 inch tc is a ball. Those little 120 rfs sure hit rocks with athourity at 200 yards and what would be fun is to take it out to the range where guys are shooting 270s and 223s ect and set up with a little 16 inch carbine in 3030 and put a target out at 300 yards. It sure would  raises some eyebrows. Raised some eyebrows allready with it at the local gun shop talking about hitting softball sized rocks at 200 yards. Luckily the gun shop owner withnessed it cause i was about called a lier. This carbine has made me do some weird things. Newest is taking a 550grian wfngc out of the 4570 barrel and casting it as a soft nose. Running it at about 1200 fps it ought to really put a smack on a deer or bear. Never fooled with soft nosed cast before either. Dont know if im gaining much in killing power but its fun to play anyway.