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Offline kevin.303

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1894 take down project
« on: May 18, 2007, 07:02:32 PM »
i picked up a 1894 take down in .30-30 for $200 that is in need of some serious TLC. it's pretty pitted, but as far as actual rust goes not bad, all the parts are there and it works, there's even rifling left in the bore, but not bad considering it's a 107 years old and seen it's fair share of use. my plan is to redo it into a usable hunting rifle, this means replaceing the butt stock for sure and possibly the fore end. from looking at it it looks like it needs a special fore end, and what i'm wondering is if it's possible to modify a regular '94 fore end like boyds would make? the fore end is salvagable if all else fails, but i think the butt is off a '95, which i will have the crack repaired then put it on my '95 project that is awaiting wood. will have the metal bead blasted before rebluing ( i can hear you purists cringe ) . it should take a standard 1894 butt stock i'm assuming?
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Re: 1894 take down project
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2007, 03:21:49 AM »
My math says that you have a rifle made in 1900, the fifth year of production.  I would consider having it restored professionally, and not change anything on it, even though it is worn.  From a collector's standpoint, you would lose more value than you would gain usefulness.  If you really want a take-down to use, I would consider having a modern Model 94 modified.  In the end, I think you would be more satisfied with the result of both rifles, and you then also have  a reason to buy another gun.

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Re: 1894 take down project
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2007, 05:47:49 AM »
I would definitely have to agree with Oldtimer here. Usually the only thing that comes out of trying to restore an old gun like that one is disappointment and regret. IF you think you must have it restored then have it done by a professional.

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Re: 1894 take down project
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2007, 05:57:07 AM »
Pick up a new rifle and leave the other as is, or have it professionally restored. Please,,,

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Re: 1894 take down project
« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2007, 05:02:12 AM »
Kevin,

A M1894, takedown, over 100 years old, for $200.  Unless you used a gun to "acquire" it, your description might be generous.

Are you going to try to turn this into a 99+% gun?

As to some of your questions, I believe the buttstocks on the 1895 and 1894 were either interchangeable or close enough for what you want.

Foreends, I am not sure about but would believe the as issued one was modified from a standard in order to work on the TD.

I put an old 1895 back into shooting condition, what are you doing to yours?  Also what caliber?

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Re: 1894 take down project
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2007, 08:07:07 AM »
well here in Canada due to our smaller population and stricter gun laws, the value on such items is far less then what it is south of the border. I've seen people try to get the same prices they see in the states, the market just won't bear it, this is why i see good condition '92's in .44-40 at gunshows for as low as $400. in the case of this particular gun, I'll explain it better. I work in a gun store, this came in with a bunch of other junk guns in similar condition. dude showed up with them, a couple of Damascus shotguns, some cheap Spanish single shots, a cut down Lee Enfield and the aforementioned 94. they paid $100 for the whole pile, i took a shine to the '94, boss asked me what I'd pay for it said $200, all right put it in the back with your name on it. the action was very stiff but with some oil it's now slicker then deer guts on a door knob, and yet very tight. none of the rattle my '67 made '94 has. gonna shoot it before i do anything, see if it's even worth doing anyrthing to.  my plan was to to give it a light bead blasting to clean of some the pitting ,then re-blue, i know a guy who does color case hardening as well. the buttstock has been inletted for a much longer tang, which made me think model 95. yes i know this would take away any collectors value, but here the isn't much to begin with, the way i see it iswhy notclean up a great old gun so it could actually be taken afield again instead of sitting some where in a collection, and my government has made it too much of a hassle to sell down south. in regards to my '95 project you asked about, it's a parts gun, was a .30-40 Krag with a sewer pipe barrel and a new condition Russian contract 7.62x54R barrel, just needs wood.
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Re: 1894 take down project
« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2007, 08:31:36 AM »
Oldtimer , where do ya go to get the conversion to a take-down mod. 94 and cost , that sounds like a great truck gun for long trips where hunting or shooting might happen ! I know that's why they got invented in the first place thanks for imfo.in advance !
org. mod 94 take-downs , its like real estate they ain't making it anymore be careful what gets put on it or ya might cry later !
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Re: 1894 take down project
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2007, 02:08:52 AM »
As the main difference between the 1894 and the 1895 action is the locking system, Z-Hat Custom Rifles would be my first choice to find someone to convert a Model 94.  There was an article in Rifle Magazine on their conversion of a Model 95, so they have figured out the procedure.  One thing they mention on their website http://www.z-hat.com/takedown.htm, is that they can also set up multiple calibers.  Think about it, one rifle with everything from a .22 Savage High Power to a 38-55 barrel.  I have to sit back from the keyboard, so I don't drool on the keys!

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Re: 1894 take down project
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2007, 08:25:07 AM »
well i'm rather bummed out. went to register it to me and pay for it at work on friday, and one of the oldtimers was giving it an inspection, turns out the discoluration isn't age, it's been threw a fire, so i passed on it. crumby thing is a i sold a good '94 to buy this one!
" oh we didn't sink the bismarck, and we didn't fight at all, we spent our time in Norfolk and we really had a ball. chasing after women while our ship was overhauled, living it up on grapefruit juice and sick bay alcohol"