lloyd, you have just GOT TO shoot some of those into wet paper to see what happens. I made some of those soft nosed bullets for my 35Whelen. I first shot them at 25 yards into wet phone books with great results.BUT I did not stop them in about 2 feet of wet books.! I got better results at 100 yards, catching 2 or 3 in about 19 or 20 inches. Expansion was over half inch,bullets were between .5 and .6" from a .358" start. NOT classic mushrooms,but still recognizable with the nose flattened.They blew the wet bales off the table. 250 grain molds with about a third being pure lead and the rest # 2 alloy. I tried BruceB's method over on cast boolits. It works but IS slow. Only needing a dozen soft nose for a couple years hunting makes it worth trying though!