Author Topic: Most useful cartridges?  (Read 2749 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Coyote Hunter

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2534
Most useful cartridges?
« on: June 23, 2007, 08:34:07 PM »
In the July 2007 Field & Stream David E. Petzal wrote an article called “The Last Cartridge Guide You’ll Ever Need”.  One idea he expressed was “Choice of cartridge ranks fairly low in determining whether you will succeed as a hunter.  If you’re a good shot, it doesn’t matter much what you use”.

Petzal then goes on to list his favorite choices, most of which I disagree with.  His choices and mine follow.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

VARMINTS – Petzal s Choice
1st    .223 Remington
2nd   .220 Swift
Honorable Mention = .22-250

VARMINTS – My Choice
1st    .223 Remington
2nd   .22-250
Honorable Mention  .220 Swift

The .223 gets the nod for 1st because it will do for most needs and there is an abundance of cheap ammo.  The .22-250 gets second place because it will do most of anything else that’s needed, and where it won’t I‘d be reaching for a .243 or .25.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

VARMINTS and BIG GAME – Petzal's Choice
1st    6mm Remington
2nd   .257 Roberts
Honorable Mention   .243 Winchester

VARMINTS and BIG GAME – My Choice
1st    .25-06
2nd   .257 Roberts
Honorable Mention   .243 Winchester

1st choice goes to the .25-06, which does most of what needs doing with considerably less powder than the .257 Weatherby.  After all, this IS a dual purpose category.  2nd choice goes to the .257 Roberts which I like better for big game, even small big game, than a .243 anything.  My attitude here is based on the Roberts’ ability to push 75g V-MAX to 3600fps, push 120g bullets over 2900fps, and having seen too many elk wounded with a .243 Win.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

BIG GAME: LIGHT KICKERS – Petzal’s Choice
1st   7x57, 7mm-08 (tie)
2nd   .308 Win
Honorable Mention   6.5x55 Swedish


BIG GAME: LIGHT KICKERS – My Choice
1st   .308 Win
2nd   7x57, 7mm-08, (tie)
Honorable Mention   .260 Remington, .30-30 Winchester (tie)

Here I had to give the nod to the .308 Win due the abundance of inexpensive (practice) ammo and the belief that practice can make a big difference.  The .308’s heavier bullets would also be my choice if going after really big game like moose.  Other than that I consider the 7x57, 7mm-08 and .308 Win to be peas in a pod.  The .260 Remington gets mention because it does everything the Swedish will do and a bit more.  The .30-30 gets honorable mention instead of top billing only because of its more limited range.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

BIG GAME: ALL_AROUND ROUNDS – Petzal ’s Choice
1st   .30-06 Springfield
2nd   .270 Winchester, .280 Remington (tie)
Honorable Mention   .338 Winchester Magnum

BIG GAME: ALL_AROUND ROUNDS – My Choice
1st   .300 Winchester Magnum
2nd   .30-06, 7mm Remington Magnum
Honorable Mention   .270 Winchester

Top slot goes to the .300 Win Mag because it would be my first choice of those listed for the larger species of North American game, like moose or brown bear and with lighter bullets and loads it is quite suitable for smaller game.  In fact, when I first got a .300 Win Mag the first loads I developed were .308 Win equivalents.  The .30-06 and 7mm Rem Mag get 2nd place because of their versatility and the abundance of good factory loads and components.  The .270 Winchester, while I feel it is close to ideal as a deer rifle, lacks the versatility of the .30-06 and 7mm Rem Mag.  The .280 Remington doesn’t quite match the 7mm Remington Magnum velocities and I prefer the options in .270 Win factory loads over those available for the .280 Remington.  For example, Federal loads Trophy Bonded bullets for th e.270 but not for the .280.  Picky, maybe, but this is MY list.


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

BIG GAME AT LONG RANGE – Petzal ’s Choice
1st   .300 Weatherby Magnum
2nd   .270 Winchester Short Magnum
Honorable Mention   7mm Weatherby Magnum

BIG GAME AT LONG RANGE – My Choice
1st   .300 RUM
2nd   7mm STW
Honorable Mention   .300 Winchester Magnum

In the long range game, if the .300 Weatherby is good, how can the RUM, which pushes the same bullets faster, not be better?  Pretty much the same story with the .270 and 7mm STW – the STW pushes heavier bullets with better B.C.s faster. The .300 Win Mag, with 165/168g bullets approaching 3300fps just makes me smile. 

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

HEAVY OR DANGEROUS NORTH AMERICAN GAME – Petzal ’s Choice
1st   .338 Winchester Magnum
2nd   .338 RUM
Honorable Mention   .340 Weatherby

HEAVY OR DANGEROUS NORTH AMERICAN GAME – My Choice
1st   .375 Ruger
2nd   .45-70 Government
Honorable Mention   .338 Win Mag, .338 RUM (tie)

Here the top slot goes to the new .375 Ruger – it has .375 H&H punch in a rifle that is lighter to pack and, with the Ruger Alaskan’s 20” barrel, considerably shorter and handier.  Second position goes to the .45-70.  Dangerous game isn’t dangerous when its 300 yards away, but when it is close and getting closer fast a 540g hardcast that can do a rhino end-to-end provides a lot of comfort – especially when there are 5 more in the magazine of a fast lever action.  The .338’s get honorable mention only because I feel they are not as suitable as charge stoppers, although I have no qualms with their effectiveness on heavy North American game.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Petzal went on to compare handgun cartridges and cartridges for Africa.  In the handgun category he placed the .44 Magnum first and the .480 Ruger second, choices I’ll not disagree with. 

He listed 6 choices in three categories for Africa, but since I don’t anticipate ever hunting there I’ll skip them.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

So there’s my choices.  I’m sure many will disagree, just as I have disagreed with Petzal. 

Coyote Hunter
NRA, GOA, DAD - and I VOTE!

Offline Dixie Dude

  • Trade Count: (6)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4129
  • Gender: Male
Re: Most useful cartridges?
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2007, 02:08:16 AM »
Do you mind listing the 6 choices for Africa?  I plan on going there in 2-3 years. 
Thanks.  This is interesting. 

Offline Coyote Hunter

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2534
Re: Most useful cartridges?
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2007, 04:03:01 AM »
AFRICA LIGHT RIFLE
1st   .30-06
2nd   .270 Win

AFRICA MEDIUM RIFLE
1st   .375H&H
2nd    .338 Win Mag

AFRICA HEAVY RIFLE
1st    .416 Remington
2nd    .458 Lott
Coyote Hunter
NRA, GOA, DAD - and I VOTE!

Offline jpstrait

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 30
Re: Most useful cartridges?
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2007, 04:35:56 AM »
Coyote Hunter, you might want to check your article before you start quoting people. Spencer Jones is the photographer not the author. The article is written by David E. Petzal, the resident gun nut of Field and Stream. I believe their is some truth into what he said about the choice of cartridge ranking low, especially with his list. Their is alot of overlap with cartridges and comes down to what your comfortable shooting. I'm all for cartridges for this and certain cartridges for that, that's what makes this worth talking about and keeps things interesting but in the end the only thing that really matters is the person pulling the trigger.

Offline Coyote Hunter

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2534
Re: Most useful cartridges?
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2007, 05:07:53 AM »
Coyote Hunter, you might want to check your article before you start quoting people. Spencer Jones is the photographer not the author. The article is written by David E. Petzal, the resident gun nut of Field and Stream. ...

My mistake - that's what comes from writing late at night when I should be in bed.  I modified my post to make the corrections as necessary.  Thanks!
Coyote Hunter
NRA, GOA, DAD - and I VOTE!

Offline beemanbeme

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2587
Re: Most useful cartridges?
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2007, 09:56:45 AM »
John's list:
.223
.280 (stack your .270's at the foot of Jack's grave and get over it)
(30-06 honorable mention for patriotic reasons)
.338

Offline S.S.

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2840
Re: Most useful cartridges?
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2007, 07:11:35 AM »
.22-250

6.5x55 Swede.

.45-70 Govt.

(add a .22 LR and a 12 Ga. and be set for life of hunting)
Vir prudens non contra ventum mingit
"A wise man does not pee against the wind".

Offline deltecs

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1605
  • Gender: Male
Re: Most useful cartridges?
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2007, 11:34:05 AM »
The choices by the above posts are all excellent.  I personally see no need for belted magnum cartridges whatsoever.  The exterior design of them doesn't change the amount of powder capacity and unnecessarily broadens the case.  They do not feed as smooth as rimless cartridges, harder to reload, and do not perform any better than the new and some of the older cartridges loaded to modern pressures with modern powders.  Based on personal preference, my choices would be as follow:

varmint  .223 rem
varmint & smaller big game   6.5 x 55 Swedish, 260 rem  (tie)
deer size game  7x57, 7mm-08, (tie)
deer and larger NA and plains game Africa  1st 338-06, 2nd 318 Westly Richards, 333 Rimless Nitro (tie)
big dangerous NA game or possible light African 9.3 x 62, 375 Ruger, 375 Dakota(tie)
DG African game  404 Dakota, 1st, 416 Rigby, 404 Jeffrey,  (tie for second)

All these rounds except the Rigby and Jeffrey fit the standard 06 length actions, thus for DG game are second choices as the fit of the rifle would be somewhat changed.  For one rifle hunts my choices would be the 270 win for mostly shooting varmints and the majority of NA game.  The 280 Rem is my personal one rifle round for all of NA hunting of all game.  If the majority my hunting was larger NA game, my choice is the honorable 30-06 for the one rifle hunter.  Using proper bullets for the game intended, these will serve the conscientious hunter with as much satisfaction as he could want.  Again, these are personal choices due my disinterest in belted magnum rounds, not because the magnums are not effective, but because the rounds selected do the same job.  The choices are not the most powerful, fastest, or flattest trajectory, but they represent efficient and relatively low recoil, so the hunter can do just that.  Hunt, not target practice.  I've included rounds that may be used in Africa, as I hope one day to hunt there and I know they are good rounds for Alaskan hunting.  I'd rather practice religiously with 4 or 5 capable rounds at various distances than experiment with every round imaginable in my extensive, but not real inventory, of collector firearms.
Greg lost his battle with cancer last week on April 2nd 2009. RIP Greg. We miss you.

Greg
deltecs
Detente: An armed citizenry versus a liberal society
Opinion(s) are expressly mine alone and do not necessarily agree with those of GB or GBO mgmt.

Offline EsoxLucius

  • Trade Count: (1)
  • A Real Regular
  • ****
  • Posts: 601
  • Gender: Male
Re: Most useful cartridges?
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2007, 08:04:59 AM »
VARMINTS
1st .223 Remington
2nd .22-250
Honorable Mention 6mm-284, .22-250 Improved

VARMINTS and BIG GAME
1st .25-284, a .25-06 in a smaller package.
2nd .25-06
Honorable Mention 6mm-284, 6mm Remington, 257 Bob

BIG GAME: LIGHT KICKERS
1st .308 Win
2nd 7x57, 7mm-08, 6.5mm-06 (tie)
Honorable Mention .260 Remington, .30-30 Winchester, 35 Remington, 257 Bob

BIG GAME: ALL-AROUND ROUNDS
1st .30-06, 7mm Remington Magnum (tie)
2nd .358 Winchester, 35 Whelen (tie)
Honorable Mention .280 Remington Ackley Improved

BIG GAME: AT LONG RANGE
1st .300 Weatherby Magnum, 300 Dakota (tie)
2nd 7mm STW, 264 Winchester Magnum, 270 Weatherby Magnum (tie)
Honorable Mention .300 Winchester Magnum, 300 RUM

HEAVY OR DANGEROUS NORTH AMERICAN GAME
1st .338 Winchester Magnum, 330 Dakota (tie)
2nd .45-70 Government, .375 H&H Magnum (tie)
Honorable Mention .340 Weatherby Magnum, .338 RUM

AFRICA LIGHT RIFLE
1st .30-06, 7mm Remington Magnum (tie)
2nd .300 Winchester Magnum, 300 Dakota (tie)
Honorable Mention 338 Winchester Magnum, .270 Winchester, 280 Remington

AFRICA MEDIUM RIFLE
1st .375 H&H Magnum
2nd .338 Winchester Magnum, 330 Dakota (tie)
Honorable Mention .358 Norma Magnum, .358 STW, 340 Weatherby Magnum

AFRICA HEAVY RIFLE
1st .416 Rigby, .416 Remington Magnum (tie)
2nd .458 Lott
Honorable Mention .375 H&H Magnum, .458 Winchester Magnum, 470 Nitro Express

WORLD ALL-AROUND ROUND
.375 H&H Magnum, there is only one.
We learn something new everyday whether we want to or not.

Offline IOWA DON

  • Trade Count: (1)
  • A Real Regular
  • ****
  • Posts: 514
Re: Most useful cartridges?
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2007, 08:37:06 AM »
Small game short range:            .22 Short (subsonic ammo)
Small game long range:             .17 HMR
Varmint:                                 .17 Hornet
Long range varmint:                  6mm-06
Deer /antelope                        .270 Winchester
Long range deer/antelope:         7mm STW
Very long range deer antelope:   .338-.378 Weatherby

Offline ratherbefishin

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • A Real Regular
  • ****
  • Posts: 680
Re: Most useful cartridges?
« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2007, 03:33:48 PM »
In terms if ''usefulness''and if I was only ALLOWED 3 firearms,it would be a 22, a 12 guage shotgun and a 6.5x55 swede,and with that I could take virtually all North American game, from small game birds deer,antelope, caribou,black bear and moose